Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is the issue with battleships. People get told from a young age that battleships are no good, they then run around thinking this is the truth and then pass it on to the next batch. People think a great many things about this game that are wrong. Great example is the humble skiff. Big tank, good firepower and it often gets used as a bait ship for frigates and destroyers that it then turn inside out. Yet the vast bulk of miners ignore it and continue to die in droves while using untanked retrievers and macks.

The myth that battleships are no good in small gangs started the moment CCP added tracking to the game and ended the age of the heatsink geddon. No matter what you do (short of making battleships wildly overpowered) people will continue to believe this myth and will continue to demand buffs to battleships to make them more like their cruiser.

Bull. Outside of the blaster vigilant, it is almost impossible to match a brawling battleships DPS, which is either 1k+ or you are seriously doing it wrong. A maelstrom with autos can pull 990 even without going to t2 ammo, and these are the lowest DPS of the short range weapons, and are moderately capable of hitting ships attempting to kite you if used properly.

A rokh pushes 1k to 10km. Mega pushes 1.2k to 8km. Seriously wondering why everyone says they don't bring the hurt. It takes a slightly different mix of support to make them great, but the larger base tank means that a similar resist profile puts out much more EHP and the larger number of slots makes for much less of the slots taken up for tank.

Blasters and autos have reasonable tracking, and swapping some of your tackle's utility mods to TPs solves the other side of this problem.

Rook and Kings use them heavily.



A fine example of what I was just talking about


This kinda shows you lack of experience with large blasters, they have no issue with hitting cruisers.



Then you haven't met a good megathron pilot.

Rokhs and kings are great, but they are NOT exactly mainstream. And even them admit that theat way of fighting isnot able to keep us and they shifted their tactics a lot, to thing like pipebombing.

And lol at saying WE lack experience at small scale warfare.. just lol. Liek when peopel help my argument by making themselves look stupid. Yes Blasters have a HORRIBLE time hittign cruisers.. BECAUSE THE CRUISERS WILL NOT GET CLOSE! Your answer shows your lack of experience with PILTOS THAT HAVE A BRAIN and do not need a FC!


I will NEVER get under 20k from a blaster ship , and the first thing we will do is get rid of the rapiers and lokis that are the ONLY ships able to make a blaster mega become relevant.


I know after so much time in the swarm you start to forget the concept that a group of players that can eachone think by itself are able to avoid these simplistic pitfalls.


We Kill LOTS of these magnificient battleships when other combat grousp bring them to fight us.. and I frankly cannot remember last time one killed any of us ( except the bait tackler of course).

A very few battleships are powerful (I am talking T1 battleships, marauders, black ops and pirate ones are a different story) for small scale combat. And they tend to be the ones that use droens so they can use a full rack of neuts (that are FAR FAR more dangerous than large blasters)

That comment was with dealing with the blob, not people like you.


I track fighter and destroyers. You honestly think a cruiser is too small to hit?



Blasters have a 40km range.

Remember the bit I said about myths? Goons only working in blobs is one of them.

Do you think more people would fly them if they were to cost less? Talking about battleship in general, not only megathron of course. Following that, would more good BS pilots potentially emerge if the ship became more popular?

To be good at something requires practice. If you never practice, you cannot be good at it. If a thing is not used, then there is no one practicing it, developing the TTPs for it and generally making it usable by the vast majority of players.

First and fore most in developing skill is practice and experience.
Then you can find out if you have talent. If you do, you may end up one of the exceptional pilots/FCs/CEOs that end up talked of and looked up to. If you don't, fine, you are now a practiced and experienced pilot with the ability to (hopefully) perform at the standard.
All it takes to be a "good" pilot is to consistently perform at the standard and never make the first mistake.

The many other BS in the game are irrelevant when not bridged in numbers. Those that are commenting that everything is fine, ask yourselves when was the last time you saw a typhoon or a domi in low sec, or a gang of BS. Yes RnK do a fantastic job with their pipe bomb setups, but that is an extreme niche function fired from the back of a titan.

For the rest of eve that doesn't bridge hordes of rail megas the lack of variety of BS in the game and their rarity is a problem.

Their vulnerability to almost everything else in the game is also a problem. The solution to this is to enable them to fly with mixed fleets.

This thread gives me the mental picture of the last time I was in walmart, with Maraner as the screaming two year old throwing a tantrum because mommy wouldn't buy him candy.

Claiming that BS are broken because they warp slower than smaller ships is utter BS. If you use any tool outside it's intended purpose, you shouldn't be surprised if it doesn' work out right. Stop trying to use a sledgehammer to swat a mosquito.