Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok, so apparently it has gotten to the point where:

- incursions isboxer multi-boxers absolutely destroy gangs of players in highsec
- isboxing bombers pose a greater threat then actual gangs of bombers in nullsec
- people in gangs doing WH cap escalations are at a disadvantage to 1 person who can happily multi-box C5/C6 capital escalations (Try it without isboxer)
-1 person can happily multibox an entire logistics wing more efficiently then a gang of people working together
-systems like Rancer have been completely changed by multiboxers
-suicide gankers using isboxer can happily gank high-value targets with incredible ease that would be impossible without a gang

In essence, isboxer gives players using it an incredible advantage over those not using it and has in many cases totally changed the way the game is played. (IE: pvpers in nullsec being on the look-out for people like odell who are multiboxing bombers)

From EVE EULA:

CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct

Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game.

You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.
You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

I bolded the part that needs to be said. ISboxer is a macro program that allows 1 person to basically become an entire gang, often to the point where they are more effective then most player-based gangs. Get rid of it already.

As a guy who has over 10 high SP characters I am ok with this.

Isboxer is a plague.

Not sure this really needs a ban after taking the time to look up all what it does it just helps people use multiple accounts on the same machine rather then needing several machines/monsters if anything it helps level the field for people who have less RL money

I don't isbox, and only have 2 active accounts with more than 5m sp. This thread looks like people whining about people having more RL money than them.

(Let the hate commence)

Troll.



+1

I too do not believe CCP will do anything on the subject because of Subscription numbers.

CCP has defined by precedent what happens when one group gains an advantage.

They do not remove that advantage. They instead give it to everyone.*

Obviously, they aren't going to give everyone high end gaming rigs, with multiple monitors.
But then, in order to effectively control multiple clients, they do not need to.

All they simply need to do, is have the clients capable of being controlled by a master account.
Each still being paid for individually, and requiring micromanagement for things such as ship fittings and skills.

But all capable of following simple orders, as well as basic tactics.

To use an old expression, if you can't beat them, join them.



*Citing the change to local chat, where standings had been added for everyone in response to one group's effective work-a-round that gave them the ability.

Yes. +1

That assumes they have a motive to punish holders of multiple accounts.

Considering some of the past promotions to encourage second accounts, if not additional to that, I do not believe that will happen.

CCP wants you to have multiple accounts, which begs the point of their being significantly less useful if not online at the same time.

Some people may be using a third party tool for this, which lets CCP enjoy the added income while not seeming to encourage any negative emergent game play.
But unless CCP wants to be seen as catering for players able to afford high end rigs, they will add in the ability for all.

ISBOXER just makes it easier for some. You can still do it without that software.

It's the way it makes it easier. Bomber gangs, for example, can't really be multiboxed without ISBoxer, and it makes bombing runs far more efficient and artificially so. For applications like incursions and suicide ganks, I agree, it really doesn't make much of a difference. But it gives a massive organizational advantage for null-sec bombing runs, so much so that it badly limits the diversity of fleets in null-sec (and the proposed cloak changes just make ISBoxer the only way these bombing runs will work the same way).

The game is unfair. If you're looking for preorganized fights go back to counterstrike or WoW.

And as for the other comments, it's pretty laughable to say CCP should give your computer components to compete. I play with a single monitor, but I don't complain when I hear corpmates or other people talk about doing stuff on their other monitors.

To take my previous example a step further; if my monitor was only capable of 1024x768, and you had a 1920x1080 monitor. Would that give me grounds to complaint hat you have an unfair advantage? Technically yes, but that's not CCP's responsibility. That's my responsibility.

Oh and before any of you say that completely unrealistic and ridiculous, you should all look up a game called StarCraft(by no means a small unheard of obscure game). Blizzard(by no means a small unheard of obscure developer) purposefully restricted the resolution of the game because of that scenario. Because it was seen as an unfair advantage. Whoop de doo, deal with it. Nothing's fair about getting snagged by your lonesome by a 20 man fleet. That's the game, get over it. If I want to spend money on out of game hardware and software to give myself an advantage, that's my prerogative. If I want a new fancy saitek joystick for Elite Dangerous and you can't afford to get one well f***ing tough nuts.