EVE General Discussion

no one cares?

POCOs are awesome. Two carrier kills so far ganking them while they're bashing Interbus ones

You forgot the distribution. The vast majority went up in nullsec and w-space (about equal numbers between the two) with very very few in lowsec where they would be griefed. Once the highsecers realize there is zero profits to be made from highsec PI any more because the nullbears can depress prices to below tax levels, they might move to lowsec. Where they'll get griefed back to highsec so nullbears can control yet another toy to solidify their RMT empires.

Also so much for Greyscale's "f*ck wormholers" attitude. Right back at ya dude.

Apparently "over 9000" people cared enough to build gantries to build them last week.

Not a story, just a question, but thanks.

Considering how much money can be made in high sec with zero risk I'm fine with this scenario.

Haven't you and your fellow lemmings definitively proven the fallacy of the "zero risk" argument? I really really hope that your style of gameplay gets nerfed to hell and back sooner rather than later. You do not deserve to have fun in any endeavor. What I really hope is that CCP nerfs the handful of near monopolies (aka napfests, aka blobfests, et al) on nullsec and makes the entire nullsec endeavor extremely volatile, making it possible for a small dedicated group to bring down large lazy groups. But my cynical side is that it won't ever happen, goons will kill EVE, and grayscale will be ultimately responsible. But that's off topic.

As to the question at hand... are POCOs grief bait? Maybe. Too early to tell. Once highsec PI whithers and dies off, lowsec POCOs will be more profitable than most moon mining opportunities, and more vulnerable. POCOs make a bad game mechanic (PI) worse (nullbear RMTer politics) regardless of the griefing opportunities.

A PCO once at 25% shields go into reinforced similar to a tower, can be done by a small Battleship fleet in less than an hour. The PCO is still accessible while in reinforced.

But the owner can close the PCO’s use by the public at any time, so why would you move from High to low?

I think your thread title is misleading and you're a nitwit. But I could be wrong, I often am.

Skill and cunning often wins the battle.

ISK and planning often wins the war.

Industry can serve as more than just bait. It also provides the power, ISK, and materials that an alliance needs to obtain it's military objectives. Any member of your alliance leadership will confirm this.

I'm glad we agree that in most cases industry is far more than "short, it's all bait".

It is an extremely important component in fueling any meaningful large scale PVP. Whether it be moo goo providing funds for Super Caps, or PI products providing basic income to keep the grunts supplied with their daily needs and keep them happy, or anything in between.

I think we both know that most of the ships and ammunition used in alliance scale PVP comes not from the self important High Sec only industrialist players, but rather from Null sec alliance industry alts (whether based in Null or Empire). So don't mistake my statements to mean that I believe PVP would not exist without High Sec care bear industrial pursuits. Far from it.

I'm simply saying (in this little sub discussion of ours) that a strong method of generating income (whatever it's source) is essential for any successful group that wishes to play with the big boys. It needs to be defended and developed far more often than it needs to be thrown out there as bait.

Edit: As a side note to your comment about "there is no skill or cunning" in EVE PVP... there are a lot of people in EVE who feel exactly as you do. You will find them listed together for convenience sake In the "Victim" category of any kill board.