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Reclaiming used character and corp names

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Foxicity
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-10-19 22:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Foxicity
Please read through the full post and comments before replying!

Point: Many cool names for characters and corporations are taken by inactive accounts who haven't logged in for years. I want a way to reclaim these names because EVE's growing pile of inactive accounts and dead one-man corps shouldn't become a cool-name graveyard.

Counterpoint: Reclaiming names will anger players who reactivate to find they've lost their name, and will cause confusion among people who knew the old character.

Let's address the first issue, angering and surprising the 'former' owner of the name. I propose a simple tool, either on the site or in the game, where you can enter a name to request it. It will only take inactive names. It will send a CCP support email directly to the inactive account holder that if they do not reactivate their account within 30 days, their name will be adversely possessed (that's legal speak for "use it or lose it"). To avoid spam, only one request can be open for a name. If the request is successful, CCP lets the requester know when the name will go "live", so that they can be ready to claim it.

The second issue, confusion. If a name is reclaimed, all references to the old character should be changed in some way. If the mod team takes away your names for other reasons, typically your name is changed to the generic "Gallente Citizen ######" (which you can petition to change to something cooler). I suggest that the same thing should happen here. This means editing the full history of killmails, contacts, evemails etc. This can be done during downtime.

Please let me know what you guys think. I'm especially eager to hear how some might exploit this, so we can work on solutions to those exploits. I want to make a working solution to one of the problems that has bothered me forever in this game.

Tell me what you think about the following changes
Variation 1: If no response from deactivated account, name remains in place.
Regnag Leppod
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-10-19 23:21:18 UTC
And next I suppose you'll want CCP to appropriate all items owned by characters inactive for more than a set period of time and contract them to you as well, right?
Foxicity
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-10-20 00:30:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Foxicity
Regnag Leppod wrote:
And next I suppose you'll want CCP to appropriate all items owned by characters inactive for more than a set period of time and contract them to you as well, right?


Okay, let's cut out the 'no response means yes' part. Could an unsubbed person 'release' a name to you? In other words, we're flipping it. The deactivated account owns the name until it actively turns it over, but can do so without reactivating and deleting the character.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#4 - 2014-10-20 05:51:47 UTC
There was an announcement by CCP Foxfour in his presentation at Eve Vegas.

All names of trial account characters (who have never paid CCP any Money, or used Plex) that are older than 1 year old, will be reclaimed. I think he said Rhea (December release) but my memory is a trifle untrustworthy right now Blink


If you've ever subbed your account, in any way, shape or form, it won't be affected.

There are a lot of names which are going to be reclaimed.

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Foxicity
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-10-20 20:50:40 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
There was an announcement by CCP Foxfour in his presentation at Eve Vegas.

All names of trial account characters (who have never paid CCP any Money, or used Plex) that are older than 1 year old, will be reclaimed. I think he said Rhea (December release) but my memory is a trifle untrustworthy right now Blink


If you've ever subbed your account, in any way, shape or form, it won't be affected.

There are a lot of names which are going to be reclaimed.


That's a helpful bit of information. That's great news on its own, I bet that covers the vast majority of taken names. As CSM do you have access to the statistics specifying what percentage of inactive accounts are unpaid trials?

More comments to come.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#6 - 2014-10-21 01:06:19 UTC
I could probably get that information.

However, it'd be covered by the NDA, so wouldn't be of any real use to you Sad

From the presentation, I think it said 6.5 million names are going to be reclaimed.

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Dwissi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-10-21 07:24:02 UTC
In general i am not opposing the idea of a clean-up - but i do not like that the motivation is the reclaiming of 'cool' names.

I took a long break myself - Eve is one of the few games that actually allow you to do that. So anything connected to accounts that have been payed for in some form shouldnt be touched at all - thats perfectly in line with what CCP announced.

But many names have been 'blocked' on purpose by people to avoid a 'copycat' usage for scams and other things. I know at least a few that created accounts to achieve exactly that. Another reason that some accounts might never been subbed after the trial period is that many people where using free mail accounts and might not have access to those accounts anymore or cannot recall enough details to reclaim them themselves.

I would be very interested in knowing how many assets will be deleted by the purge. Considering how gamy we are in Eve i am almost certain that there are many accounts who where created as parking lot for assets etc.

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Foxicity
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-10-21 21:19:27 UTC
Dwissi wrote:
In general i am not opposing the idea of a clean-up - but i do not like that the motivation is the reclaiming of 'cool' names.

I took a long break myself - Eve is one of the few games that actually allow you to do that. So anything connected to accounts that have been payed for in some form shouldnt be touched at all - thats perfectly in line with what CCP announced.

But many names have been 'blocked' on purpose by people to avoid a 'copycat' usage for scams and other things. I know at least a few that created accounts to achieve exactly that. Another reason that some accounts might never been subbed after the trial period is that many people where using free mail accounts and might not have access to those accounts anymore or cannot recall enough details to reclaim them themselves.

I would be very interested in knowing how many assets will be deleted by the purge. Considering how gamy we are in Eve i am almost certain that there are many accounts who where created as parking lot for assets etc.


All right, so I misjudged that there's a large number of people who go inactive and don't want the possibility of losing their name. I also appreciate that the vast majority of inactive names are being recovered in an upcoming recovery of trial account names. I'd still like to see some way to recover names from inactive paid accounts who aren't planning on ever logging back in. From the above comments, I imagine rules along the lines of:
1) A player can ask an inactive player for a name, but it's ultimately up to the inactive player to approve the donation.
2) If the inactive player declines to donate the name, they will never be asked again, since we interpret this as they want to keep the name.
3) The inactive player can donate the name without reactivating their account.

Criticisms?
Dwissi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-10-21 21:39:52 UTC
That would hit the nail right on spot probably - only requires CCP to play along to forward that request somehow to the inactive player via the account systems information.

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Greygal
Redemption Road
Affirmative.
#10 - 2014-10-22 04:54:16 UTC
Dwissi wrote:
I would be very interested in knowing how many assets will be deleted by the purge. Considering how gamy we are in Eve i am almost certain that there are many accounts who where created as parking lot for assets etc.


My understanding from the presentation and subsequent convos/comments at EveVegas is that NO accounts are being purged, so therefore NO assets will be purged. Only the character names are being released and I was told the characters would be renamed generic RacialCitizenNumber names (i.e., CaldariCitizen25341530958). The account itself and everything attached to the account remains in place, just the character name(s) will change.

My understanding could, of course, be wrong Blink

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Dwissi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-10-22 06:41:27 UTC
@Greygal Thanks for pointing that out - i guess i missed that part of the stream and better have a second look at it

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#12 - 2014-10-22 19:31:19 UTC
Dwissi wrote:
@Greygal Thanks for pointing that out - i guess i missed that part of the stream and better have a second look at it



It wasn't a particularly well attended presentation. Which is a shame, as CCP Foxfour was quite quite drunk while making it.

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Dwissi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-10-22 19:53:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Dwissi
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Dwissi wrote:
@Greygal Thanks for pointing that out - i guess i missed that part of the stream and better have a second look at it



It wasn't a particularly well attended presentation. Which is a shame, as CCP Foxfour was quite quite drunk while making it.


wow - no kidding lol - just worked through it. My human speech decipher skills just leveled up by watching it

Edit: That is one neat little trick to get all those people i mentioned above (secure names etc) to quickly subscribe those accounts so they dont lose the names. Well thought CCP Lol

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#14 - 2014-10-23 13:46:52 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Dwissi wrote:
@Greygal Thanks for pointing that out - i guess i missed that part of the stream and better have a second look at it



It wasn't a particularly well attended presentation. Which is a shame, as CCP Foxfour was quite quite drunk while making it.


I had not even had a drink that day... I was however really tired and thrown off by a few things.

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#15 - 2014-10-23 13:47:09 UTC
Greygal wrote:
Dwissi wrote:
I would be very interested in knowing how many assets will be deleted by the purge. Considering how gamy we are in Eve i am almost certain that there are many accounts who where created as parking lot for assets etc.


My understanding from the presentation and subsequent convos/comments at EveVegas is that NO accounts are being purged, so therefore NO assets will be purged. Only the character names are being released and I was told the characters would be renamed generic RacialCitizenNumber names (i.e., CaldariCitizen25341530958). The account itself and everything attached to the account remains in place, just the character name(s) will change.

My understanding could, of course, be wrong Blink


Correct. :)

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Darth Push
Awesome Corp 13
#16 - 2014-10-24 08:44:37 UTC
So for how long should i leave my account abandoned to get a rename? =)
Dwissi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-10-24 12:34:06 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Dwissi wrote:
@Greygal Thanks for pointing that out - i guess i missed that part of the stream and better have a second look at it



It wasn't a particularly well attended presentation. Which is a shame, as CCP Foxfour was quite quite drunk while making it.


I had not even had a drink that day... I was however really tired and thrown off by a few things.


You know we where messing with you, right? Blink

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Arronicus
Upside Down Thinking Face
Black Rise Matters
#18 - 2014-10-27 11:22:04 UTC
I'm glad to see that the trial account names are being opened up in such a fashion, there are certainly a few that I am eagre to try to snag up, should they happen to have been created on trial accounts long ago.

As for the possibility of ever losing your character name on a paid account, that is a legacy, part of the history of eve. For some a bigger one than others, but to think that someone might snag up someone elses name simply because that person was gone for a year after 6 years of play, or didnt respond to a 30 day query, is a mistake that I hope CCP will never make.

While I think its neat to ask someone for their name, I don't think that ccp should be in the business of allowing players to exchange names, beyond one player deleting his character or selling it, to the person who wants the name.
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#19 - 2014-11-20 04:15:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Dangeresque Too
Surprised this hasn't come up sooner, but what are the chances for some of us active characters to have a shot at renaming ourselves to remove whatever extra filler we had to put on our names because the core name was taken 8 yrs ago but has zero history? (probably due to being an alt or trial that never took off).
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#20 - 2014-11-20 04:26:02 UTC
Dangeresque Too wrote:
Surprised this hasn't come up sooner, but what are the chances for some of us active characters to have a shot at renaming ourselves to remove whatever extra filler we had to put on our names because the core name was taken 8 yrs ago but has zero history? (probably due to being an alt or trial that never took off).



It's being considered. As you might expect, it's somewhat controversial.

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