EVE General Discussion

Right until there's no more new pilots left. Have you heard about the Tragedy of the commons?

Than nothing is wrong with the game. Something is wrong with people. Would you want a duel with him?

Someone tricking you in a duel is IMO not broken. It happens, it's unfortunate, and you end up learning not to expect pre-conditions for duels to be honored.


What's most wrong with the "new player experience" is that Ralph's alliance exists, along with a number of others, who wardec thousands of players and simply grief them. Most of these players are highsec alts of people who know what they are doing. Unfortunately, some are legitimate newbies who have joined a player-corp, hope to make friends and grow in the game, and are victimized by a very small group of highsec "mercenaries" who spend their days shooting people between Amarr and Jita, and visiting mission hubs to kill Drakes and Vexors.

Newbies will or won't keep playing eve based largely on whether or not they make friends, and the easiest way to do that is to join a player-corp. Unfortunately, the broken wardec mechanics make it impossible to operate a corp in highsec with more than a few dozen members. Once you get to 100 or so, your corp will have wardecs constantly, your newbies will be unable to travel, and you break the highsec learning environment for them.

*Snip* Removed off-topic part of the post. ISD Ezwal.

Game is fine, the people are ******.

On terms of Vets being mean to Newbies, Some are, some aren't


You just hear more about the bad because people will spread bad news faster than good.

On the topic of Honour. Honour is completely based on perspective, I find it 'honourable' or better termed respectable when people are willing to fight, rather than stay docked up all day, but some people say it's smart to stay docked up because you'll probably lose.


Honour is dead because the culture of EVE is vast, and a lot of peoples definition of honour is different.


As a Wardeccer, I've stright chased a venture in a Cerb, alphaed the poor thing off the field then did again after chasing the dude around, most would consider this harassment and griefing. I just considered it a part of the game. If you join a player corp, you sign an invisible waiver that says: I accept that I can be AWOXED Wardecced stolen from, taken advantage of from this point. Weather I understand it or not.


On the flip side, I've paid for ships which I've blown to pieces, offered advice to new people, and some of the people I blown up, are not apart of my corp, having fun. I play EVE, in the same way, not caring about if the player is 10 years or 1 day old. It honestly doesn't matter because a new player can easily kill me if the right steps are taken.

Once I was campnig the amarr undock, and a little mining barge was trying to warp away, I was in a Phobos and judging my the player multiple attempts to run, he didn't understand that a phobos could infinity-point him. After he 5th or so attempt he died. So I convo'ed him and asked him why he kept trying to run.

He didn't understand why he couldn't run and was under the impression we had had hacked the game. =S

However after explaining to what happened, he apologized for the accusation. And So I sent him 100mil isk and taught him how to create insta-undocks, and gave him a few URL's to guides that would help him in the short and long run. In my notes, I actually have saved sites to give to people who don't know what they are doing.

So, not all people who are merc and Highsec suspect gamers, are not 'Griefers' They just so happen to be tired of listening the same dribble about how they are ruining the game. They all started in the same place you did. But have learned in a quicker fashion that sometimes EVE isn't fair.


If I happened to be on your losemail, convo me and I ask me; 'how can I prevent this from happening again?' or have any general questions in general I can help you stop that.

However if you call me a psychopath, a griefer, so on and so forth all your going to is make me angry. And all the accomplishes is making yourself more of a target then benefiting you.

Losing things in EVE is an integral part of the game, have people around you to teach you why you've lost, and why you should it do it again, or how you can turn the tables, is of the utmost and highest importance to the game.


My ramblings on the subject anyways,.

The 'problem' with EVE in this respect is quite arguably very simple - that there are no consequences.

I play to compete with others - for humans beat any AI hands-down - and I like to game/play and there simply isn't anything else like EVE (that I have found). I've come back to EVE simply because that is true.

However, I also know that I am an uncommon type of player - which to me is a sad indication of the gaming industry, that simply puts out a lot of mindless entertainment rubbish that I find unplayable.

If EVE were ever re-started (which could be the final answer); then I would strongly recommend the following:

- each player restricted to a maximum of 2 accounts; with only a single character allowed on an account

Then EVE, the security of relevant space, 'honour', consequences - the entire actual concept of being a capsuleer in New Eden would be more 'real' - and then real things would happen.

Make EVE 'that different' (more like a proper simulation) - and need more realistic logistics.

History is being ignored when planning for changes to nullsec?

I got screwed over by a guy I had been playing with consistently over a long period of time, in 2000 or so, in Asheron's Call. Since then I don't give any players in MMOs much trust unless they're someone I know IRL. I look at every interaction as "how can this player use this to screw me over?" Honorable fights in EVE? lol. Most other games, if they have players behaving honorably, have it because they have mechanics that force it, or protect players from each other.

The real problem with EVE is it is just a bunch of generic rooms that you load your spaceship through one by one while trying to find fights you think you can win. There is nothing entertaining outside of fighting other players. The PvE is dull and the "landscape" is boring. The world is seen from afar, interacted with indirectly, and delayed by an obvious server tick. And some people get to the point where they don't even find PVP entertaining anymore, or never did. So the only fun times left to be had is to prod other players and see how long it takes for them to flip out.

The thing for me is that the way Eve itself is shaped as a game goes against the fundamental moralities we have as a society and in a sense goes against our own humanity itself. And because of that it creates something that works against the ideals we have been brought up with. Its this conflict of natures that turns off so many people to Eve imo, as not everyone can handle having their entire way of being thrown around and turned upside down. The few that can; stay, and the even fewer thrive in that sort of a system.

To me its this disconnect with the world around us that has been the reason that Eves numbers stay so low. As the darkness thats within the human soul is evident in everyday life, media tells us daily of the atrocities committed world wide. We shudder and think how horrible it is even if it hasnt happened directly to us but more importantly we believe that the unjust, evil people will be punished. In Eve there is none of that punishment or justice happening. The game itself is built to allow freely what societies worldwide try to remove from within its ranks.

That is imo what makes Eve what it is and what makes it so unique in the gaming world.

try antimatter