Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I can think of several dozen ways to get battleships to effectively kill MWD kiting frigates. easiest is to have a lighter tank, much higher tracking setup and a depot and tactically refit from there.

This would render so many ships pointless.

Thanks for the opinions.

I still want to see mixed gangs of BS and BC roaming around - yes you need to bring fast tough tackle these days, the problem is the sheer amount of time in roaming with these ship these days without gimping the fit by using the warp speed mods / rigs.

Seriously when was the last time anyone here saw BS/BC gang in low sec? Fleets are usually made up of all of the same type or class these days, that sucks. The homogenisation of eve is a fricken crime.

BS are used a lot in 0.0 by Goons, (at least someone is using them), but typically off the back of a titan bridge.

This is seriously a problem. Where a the mega gangs or the groups of BC's with a pest or a domi attached?

Gone friends, consigned to eve history by a combination of nerfs, buffs to other classes and enforced choices around an impaired fit to just keep up.

Battleships should be the terror or battlecruisers not just a shiny kill.

PLease keep the thread rolling, I'm not asking for a major rebalance or a game changing shake up, just raising BS and BC back to 3.0 AU warp speed. If people want to fit and rig and clone them up to warp fast great! But it should be a choice, not a requirement just to stay with the fleet.

Back to the ishtar fleet.

First of all this topic feels like: They nerfed my ship bring it back how it was; without fully understanding the implements of the change. It is true that low sec gangs with battleships probably will lose momentum. However a change like this is not determined for one shipsection due to one situation.

Imagine that they DO bring the warpspeed back to 3.0 au (something can be said for that) That would also mean that the factor of the other ships, wich are smaller and able to travel faster in warp should increase. The problem that your describing would still exist. Roaming with battleships has never been a big occurance, though if you really want a battleship over for instance a attack battlecruiser, wich should fullfill the role of the BS in most ROAMS you still have options to go to that length.

In anycase the problem how you describe it, is not a problem of the ships but more a problem of the FC in how he handles the fleet. In Mixed fleets, especially in low sec, where you have no problems with warp bubbles or bombs, fleet warps are alot better you should talk to your fc's and ask them to do fleet warps instead of going to the forums for a change that only a verry small percentile of the players currently has a problem with.

Very much agree with your comments however we used to fly mixed fleets of ship types, this allowed us to bring fast tackle and t3's for webs etc, the BS / BC's would then lumber up and kick the target to death. We just cannot do that with these ships without sacrificing a significant amount of their EHP with rigs or DPS loss with low slot warp mods. Although we have a few die hard mega pilots with high grade ascendancy clones - ofc they used to use salves but nm.

This allowed us to bring to bear their good sides - decent tank with good dps.

Your right ofc these ships are becoming rare.

Havent ganked a drake in weeks :(

Thanks for your suggestions, you make some very reasonable points. I am one of the FC's for my alliance, we often still take BS out ono roams but it's at a compromise of their fit by using warp rigs or clones that we would otherwise not want to.

Your right about the fleet warps and we do utilise them at times, but we often go 60-80 systems per night in search of pew, this has greatly increased the time a roam used to take and quite frankly we just as often fly ships that were not fans of because of their increased warp speed.

The effect of this is that we are not seeing or engaging BS / BC fleets and neither is anyone else. I am out typically every night of the week looking for PVP. I cannot say that I have engaged a BC fleet in many many months. BS are rare as rocking horse ****.

This is a serious issue. Some of teh most Iconic ships in the game such as the mega have been forced into niche fits such as the rail mega.

CCP could very easily buff BC / BS with a 3.0 au warp speed. At least allow them to play a role rather than the somewhat sad novelty that they now are.

CCP wanted to nerf range projection with the phoebe jump changes, I think the hope is to see more roam fleets, well maybe but it will just be more fleets of ishtars which no one can every really draw into a decisive engagement in low sec because you can catch em. Does anyone else remember small gangs of Mega's and geddons? The occaisonal fleet os pests with canes?


Oh please btw if anyone flys fleets of BC's please tell me where you are, we will head over for a brawl. o/

Agree but lets start with something to get them out of the hangars and into fleets that MOVE rather than just being bridged. If we think these ships are a bit rare now wait til phoebe lands

Ummm no. I understand how the hyperspatial rigs work mkay, plus the ascendancy clones and the low slot mods. I just object to the nerf that this imposes upon the Battleship.

I have no prob if people want to AU nano up their BS's warp speed at the cost of tank / dps or the use of a slave clone, the problem is they shouldn't have to do that to keep up with everything else subcap.

Plus as pointed out by other people these ships have fallen off in their use significantly, perhaps this could be something that could be done up their use.

Can't say I've seen anyone using a fit that has that sort of performance in low sec anywhere.

Yes I realize this must be my fault some how.

The fact is these ships are becoming rare, it's a combination of nerfs and buffs to other ships over a long time. I am simply asking that the AU speed be buffed to enable mixed fleets without the need to AU enhancing modules, rigs or implants.

If people want to fly around at 6 AU with that sort of fit that requires thats fine.

But at least have it at 3.0 so these ships can at least keep up without the significant loss of either tank or gank that it currently entails.

Thanks

3.0 might be a bit much, but 2.5 Au warp would be sufficient. And it would get more mixed fleets out there.