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Data from TQ to Sisi when mirrored (some thoughts).

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Orny
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#1 - 2014-10-20 07:04:32 UTC
Going to raise this here although may be better in another forum. When a mirror is done from TQ to Sisi a snapshot of the data base is taken and then POS's, etc are removed. (I stand corrected if this is not right). After the mirror it is back to square one again to fit the ships required on Sisi, claim Sov and the associated parts, setup manufacturing jobs and anything else. Has there ever been any thought of just transferring the Character details, ie, SP implants etc, as they stand on TQ but still leave any ships, POS's and manufacturing jobs that are currently in Sisi still there, ie no ships or assets are transferred across from TQ purely Base Character Info only. This would allow the continuity of testing to continue with any adjustments able to be made for updated SP and save time setting everything up again.

Will be interested to see any comments
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2014-10-20 15:59:04 UTC
Orny wrote:
Going to raise this here although may be better in another forum. When a mirror is done from TQ to Sisi a snapshot of the data base is taken and then POS's, etc are removed. (I stand corrected if this is not right). After the mirror it is back to square one again to fit the ships required on Sisi, claim Sov and the associated parts, setup manufacturing jobs and anything else. Has there ever been any thought of just transferring the Character details, ie, SP implants etc, as they stand on TQ but still leave any ships, POS's and manufacturing jobs that are currently in Sisi still there, ie no ships or assets are transferred across from TQ purely Base Character Info only. This would allow the continuity of testing to continue with any adjustments able to be made for updated SP and save time setting everything up again.

Will be interested to see any comments


We need the data for testing a lot of the time. Over time, a very short space of time in fact, we wouldn't have enough data for many types of testing.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath

Circumstantial Evidence
#3 - 2014-10-20 18:27:35 UTC
POS's are removed from SISI because otherwise, it would be too easy for competing forces to gather intel about them.
Orny
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#4 - 2014-10-21 01:53:11 UTC
Guess I didn't explain myself well enough, the mirror is not a mirror of the TQ Data Base only an update of Eve Characters SP, implants Jump clones etc all other data is as per already on Sisi,. Presuming that Sisi is always aheadcof TQ with releases. When I was involved with global core systems of a major intl company our test / training environments were updated on regular basis with all releases and updates before being installed on live systems and all user profiles were copied from live systems but the test / training data was not touched and remained as it was so testing / training was not disrupted.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#5 - 2014-10-21 09:43:42 UTC
OP is saying:

"Is it possible to mirror SiSi without wiping out the sov we've claimed there, the POSes we've set up there or the jobs we've started there while still updating everything else, including character data, and still getting all the other information needed for CCP's testing? It's bothersome that every mirror we have to start over from zero and makes some things difficult to accomplish."
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#6 - 2014-10-21 10:31:02 UTC
Orny wrote:
Guess I didn't explain myself well enough, the mirror is not a mirror of the TQ Data Base only an update of Eve Characters SP, implants Jump clones etc all other data is as per already on Sisi,. Presuming that Sisi is always aheadcof TQ with releases. When I was involved with global core systems of a major intl company our test / training environments were updated on regular basis with all releases and updates before being installed on live systems and all user profiles were copied from live systems but the test / training data was not touched and remained as it was so testing / training was not disrupted.


I understood you. We use live data to test as it's the most representative of the impact the changes will have when they hit the live server (in terms of, for instance, load or time, not game-wise). Sisi users simply don't generate the kind of volume of data that we need to test with, so we need to bring the old data over. This isn't to say that parts of the mirror process can't be improved, of course they can and we will continue to investigate ways to make the user experience of working on the test server better, without compromising our testing needs.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath

Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
#7 - 2014-10-21 13:15:46 UTC
what with situation when someone in TQ was researching e.g nyx , aeon BPO , mirror takes place , pos on sisi is removed and someone loses e.g 20days of progress , loses sov etc.

why remove all pos , there should be ability to keep pos for sisi on request so someone dont lose large progress.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#8 - 2014-10-21 14:26:53 UTC
Amak Boma wrote:
what with situation when someone in TQ was researching e.g nyx , aeon BPO , mirror takes place , pos on sisi is removed and someone loses e.g 20days of progress , loses sov etc.

why remove all pos , there should be ability to keep pos for sisi on request so someone dont lose large progress.


That would be too much overhead for us, sorry.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#9 - 2014-10-22 09:58:32 UTC
May I suggest that you put the SiSi beacons from 6C-Z49 and PV-H8Q on TQ?

I mean it's NPC space and everything that could hopefully help you getting your mirrors done with less work or time should good for you wouldn't it?

Unless you think those beacons sitting there on TQ do disrupt gameplay or something else I didn't think of right now is a bad thing?

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uglybass
With or Without
#10 - 2014-11-06 14:40:06 UTC
How about setting up constelation or few which wont be copied over in every DB clone?

OT: is there any schedule (avail to public) when next DB clone is done ?
Flapdoodle Folderol
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-11-07 14:24:45 UTC
Adding to the previous post, how about adding a separate region to Sisi that is not on TQ? Within this region, the dynamics are different than in the usual regions. An example would be being able to build a supercap in one day from a seeded BPO. You would still need all necessary skills to build and fly it but this new region could be edited and changed per CCP's wishes for that particular mirror.
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#12 - 2014-11-08 21:54:24 UTC
I think part of the problem based on the Brain in a Box posts by a dev. Skills your character has are actually items and that probably create problems doing things incrementally.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2014-11-10 13:48:54 UTC
Going to lock this thread as I think it served its purpose. To answer the last few posters briefly - your ideas are fine, but they all ignore the one principle that I'm trying hard to hammer home here - Sisi needs to reflect TQ in almost every way possible. We can make some tweaks here and there for convenience (beacons, market seeding, etc) but making sections of space different fundamentally on Sisi is not something we are going to do. I get that you want to build supers fast. I hope you also get that that isn't the primary use case of Sisi and that unless we can "first do no harm" then we aren't going to make fundamental changes to Sisi to enable it.

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