Missions & Complexes

I'm experiencing the same since the last patch but i don't know if i'm having bad luck or what. Who knows.

Did a data site yesterday and got an escalation from it. The actual Data site had crap in it but the escalation made my day :)

60 run BPC for Augmented Ogres and 60 run Augmented Hammerheads.

Since CCP removed any NPC danger in Data/Relic sites, I'm almost sure that you can use any T1 probing capable frig.
And with the cargo scanner ( who at CCP came up with that brilliant idea! ) your exploration is almost over, before you start using tools that was supposed to reveal what's in the cans.

Then and when something comes up that has been unrevealed or simply never been announced. I never had any expedition from any data or relic site, not in highsec, lowsec, nullsec or wormhole space.

But on expeditions many things still are more gossip, rumor or mystery.

- I had the luck to find a Faction ship BPC in a data site. Happened exactly one time, never again since. Ive been told a thousand times, this is impossible.
- I have received escalations from expeditions, not mentioned anywhere in the WWW by their name like e.g. "True Intentions" which came up in the forelast site of the expedition "True Power Shipyards" when i killed the faction spawn of the appearing battle fleet 25 mins after the kill of last NPC. I had it exactly one time, never again since. Ive been told a thousand times, that those are not existing.
- ive been told by top explorers that you can solve expeditions in many different ways sometimes, assuming that you have the correct requirements fullfilled like e.g. solving the "True Power Shipyards" expedition site with the 300 Afterburners while having the correct faction for Sansha and/or also completed certain requirements before.

The problem i see on solving those is their rare appearance. There are so many IFs on the path:

If you find a Sansha Vigil.
If you have a faction spawn in it.
If you have the luck to receive the expedition.
If you have the luck to have a faction spawn or alternate trigger in expedition site 1 or
If you have to go alternate solution path (if you have 300 Afterburners, if you have correct faction, if you have completed prerequisties ....)
If you have the luck to have a faction spawn or alternate trigger in expedition site 2.
If you have the luck to have a faction spawn or alternate trigger in expedition site 3.
If you have to go alternate solution path and wait for battlefleet.
If you have the luck to have a faction spawn in battlefleet.
If you have the luck it triggers the escalation.
and then many more If on those paths.

Simple maths. If you have like a lets say 10% chance on all Ifs then you have like a 10% chance on a 10% chance for a 10% chance to get the first trigger to second expedition site - thats 0.1 % once you have found one Vigil sig. Yes of course this is not high level mathematics, and like in all games depending on luck the 10% is everytime calculated from start on in every site, so the true probability number is a bit higher. Never the less - on step 7 the chance to get forward equals 0. And according to 24 vigils since 1st of August i only could play 2 until they ended in site 4.

I have to admit that it is also possible, that if you dont get any trigger pop up by just running the site as it obviously is believed to be correctly done - fly in, kill, loot and hope for trigger - you d have to solve it alternately. But why and how and when, and how to recognize that you have to beside of the missing pop up .. this is still some kind of mystery.

Also many dont even know about expeditions, and if they are rare, or common or special or whateer. Most i met simply fly in and kill brainless everything flying around. While i know about half a dozen alternate solutions for alone highsec sigs. But none of them is easy to find, or easy to make. In fact maybe most of the sig runners dont want to solve it more complicated than it is and thats why the fly in just shoot everything, leaving the alternate options out on purpose cause not worth the time effort and results.

Interesting, probably a very rare event and only for those ofc who bother to complete a site. Wonder if blowing up the final can would have triggered the escalation ...

I'm currently passing through drone regions. Looking for data sites while I'm here and found 1 in about 20 jumps. The site is different than what I am used to, there were only 3 cans. They dropped drone parts and a drone bpc, rather than usual data stuff. The bpc I got was worth about 4 mil so not sure which one would be worth hundreds of millions or a billion. I suppose those are only found in an escalation (assuming those exist)? I've had other explorers tell me they have had rats spawn on them in exploration sites before. I straight up told them I didn't believe them. It seems more likely now they were right and they must have been running a data site in drone region space. I've got a handful of jumps to go then I will be out of drone space for a while, but if I find another data site I will fail the last can and see what happens.

I was actually going to make a topic about the drone region data sites, since they are quite a bit different than the rest of New Eden. I ended up not posting it yet, simply because of the upcoming changes to Data sites in Phoebe. However, since people are asking questions... here's a quick summary of what I found:

Each region of drone space only drops one race's particular set of drone BPCs.

Malpais - Caldari
Oasa - Caldari
Kalevala Expanse - Minmatar
Etherium Reach - Gallente
Cobalt Edge - Amarr
Outer Passage - Amarr
Perrigen Falls - Gallente
The Spire - Minmatar

I did roughly 100 sites over the course of 3 weeks, and this held up.

Cans typically drop drone parts and Integrated BPCs.

Etherium Reach was the only region I found Augmented BPC's in. I ended up with 2 Hammerhead and 2 Hobgoblin total. The reason I bring this up, is because drone data sites are the only ones to escalate. There's a video link on Reddit of some guy escalating a site, and ending up with a couple bil worth of Augmented BPC's (similar to the poster above). I unfortunately didn't know about this until I was almost done researching, so I never actually had a site do this. The important piece of info to take away from this, is that Etherium Reach data sites seem to be the only ones to drop Aug BPCs without an escalation. All the sites I did in the other regions never dropped any. I originally went out to the drone regions to score a couple Aug Valkryie BPCs to use with my Gila (wanted to try them out after the drone changes).. if you've checked the market lately, only Aug Hammerhead and Hobgoblins are available.

My guess is that the loot drops for Aug BPCs aren't working properly. Either Aug BPCs are only supposed to drop from the escalations, and Etherium Reach is borked... or they are supposed to drop everywhere, and only Etherium Reach is working properly. The 4 BPCs I found were 10 run only, the ones from escalations seem to be much higher runs.

The data sites all contain 3 cans. Two High Security Containment Facilities, and one Research and Development Lab. The Lab can is the one that can cause the escalation. I'm guessing the reason most people don't know this, is because the Lab can is usually empty. I say usually, because out of the ~100 sites, two of them actually had loot in them. Both had one Integrated BPC each. Nothing else. If you do a search on the forums, most people say that the Lab cans are always empty, and just don't hack them.

My goal was to post a topic about this, and see if anyone could fill in any blanks or mistakes I may have made. Once that was done, I wanted to submit the info to the Wiki, since there's basically zero info on there about Drone region data sites. Of course, all this could change with Phoebe... so we will see what happens.

Link to the escalation video: http://www.twitch.tv/falnar83/c/4282691

EDIT: And yes, rats do spawn if you fail a hack. I never failed any of the Facility cans, so I'm not sure if they spawn rats too. But the Lab can absolutely does spawn rats when you fail it. It's also significantly harder to hack than the other two, having a "red" core. The spawns were always two drone frigates, at least for me.

Thanks for sharing this info. Maybe these folks will not think i am blowing smoke.

I understand why you are skeptical, this is EVE