EVE General Discussion

Instead of payments and values being dictated by two people selling and buying at some agreed upon amount, or being able to hire miners into a corporation and pay them, this setup showing people what their "value" is completely subverts market trade practices.

It makes it even harder to develop a Real and True mining corporation that functions the same as a real life corporation; the menial workers are paid least, the upper management are paid more, and all the rest of the profits go into growing the corporation and expansion.

If I say to a miner "hey come join this corp, you work for us and we give you 500,000 isk for 30 minutes of mining in your low SP new character ship" and they see that their "average value" is 800,000, they say "screw you" because they feel they can profit better from mining and hauling it to market and selling it themselves.

Now, we know a lot of mission runners get fleeced by selling their loot modules for 1-2 ISK when they're worth 10-20k ISK (as defined by the market, not any other metric), but that should be up to people to figure out, and much as I know many traders that are willing to go the extra step of setting a few systems up for buy orders on modules at a reasonable 25-50% of current average market value, it's all still should be in the hands of the two negotiating for the price instead of telling them that "X is worth Y" in a little corner so that they think they should get that every time.

The mining frig also displaced racial mining frigs and racial mining cruisers do to huge ore hold and great mining rate, thereby reducing the reliance of newer players on finding some hauler friends or a corp, and thus propagating a corps growth with a mutual mine/haul/trade-sell agreement.

The more people can do practically everything they want themselves, the smaller corporation margins become, because its difficult to compete with someone who can do it all themselves, as well as other corporations. There were so many old skills and old game mechanics in the past that supported individuals requiring diversity and assistance from joining a corp, and new ships, and trashing certain skills make it less and less worthwhile to create a corp to grow and spread it, let alone join one.

Yeah CCP. You're making it real hard to screw over our corpmates.

1mil isk per hour? Seriously? **** id pay them 50 to 100 times that to Awox your ***.

Split the hauls isk value evenly with the newbros and stop being a stingy highsec publord.

For once I agree with you.

First, the estimated value the inventory window is pretty bad. AFIAK, it's some sort of universe wide rolling average and occasionally gives bad information. It's also been gamed in the past. It's situationally useful at best.

Second, you're missing something very big about running that type of mining corporation. You need to think of yourself as a factor instead of a traditional mining company. You're saving your low sp miners the time and expense of compression, transportation, market fees, arbitrage, and figuring out if the spot price is worth it. That all adds up to a non trivial amount of time and expense, especially if you have to duplicate it over several players. So you're saving your newbies a bunch of hassle and isk, as well as giving them cash up front for their ore, in exchange you're taking a few % off the top for your service.

Now if we look closely we can see a scammer disguised as a miner! Wow! Natural selection and evolution really do make the weirdest things!

Oh wait, he said something! Let me just calibrate my whine-o-meter..and... AHA!

"My underlings figured my scam out and now they are selling under me because they can do basic maths!!1!!!1!"

"CCP change the game for MEEEEEEEEEEE"

I for one support the OP. But first we need to lobotomize the average player in EVE to be able to work around the current mechanics. We don't need no dirty strong independent players of character in this game nope just people acting like wage slaves and such because "EVE is Real™".

So to conclude I demand that CCP lobotomize anyone who is currently playing except for me and the OP along with any new players joining.

You want to let other people work for you, so you can make more profit.

Eve is about teamwork:

You all should work togheter so all make more profit.

How you do this is by pypassing all the steps

Get miners
Start a business
Produce stuff
Sell with triple the profit (2 shares for each, 1 share for the corp investments)

= all work togheter and togheter more isk


it is that simple

Good, they're better off. Stop trying to use newbies for your own personal gain, especially on a video game.

TLDR: You're idea is stupid and you're probably trolling.

Long Version:

Estimated value is a newer feature, it never used to exist. Prior to it's existence, what you are asking still didn't happen. Removing it would not change things to this little picture you've built up in your head.

The difference between EVE and RL isn't that people don't know the estimated values of their work. (A guy that works in a brewery knows how much the bottles of beer sell for), the difference is that the little guy isn't capable of making a marketable product by himself, hell he can't even farm the hops by himself.

In EVE, you can, as a 1d old player, I can mine minerals and build a frigate after refining those minerals. sure it'll be as inefficient as hell, but I can do it.

What you really want, is a system which allows groups/organisations to have something of value to offer its members, and in return, the members have something of value to offer the corporation.

Right now in eve, the most common form of this symbiotic relationship is:

- I offer you PvP fleets and help replace your ships, you offer me your time and focused skill progress to benefit the group

some industrialist groups may offer access to blueprints to members in exchange for their time, or perhaps refining services, I'll refine your minerals for you at perfect skills/rep and I keep 4%, you keep the rest, we both do better out of it.

Okay, are you a floor person in best buy? Go demand equal pay to the CEO and after you get fired from there, go to any other job and demand it. Let's see how long it takes.

Any company in RL is also a symbiotic relationship. That doesn't mean that people higher up and the company itself doesn't make much more than the individuals. Are you trying to tell me that all minimum wage jobs are exploitation? Because if so, please, tell the rest of the world.




How are they not profiting by being paid to do a job?