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New uses for Player Corp to NPC Corp standings

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kit amor
DarkstarRed
Elementium Alliance
#1 - 2014-10-13 17:46:15 UTC  |  Edited by: kit amor
Due to some confusion caused by 3rd party websites, I recently spent a couple of weeks hurling abuse at corp members and grinding NPC standing up. I did this in the mistaken belief that corp standing affected reprocessing taxation levels. I was trying to make zero tax reprocessing available to corp members who had insufficient personal standing.

As I neared my goal, I realised that the taxation level wasn't reducing as expected and I posted a thread on the forums asking why and I also raised a petition. I'm copying the substance of my conversation with the GM below and would welcome any comments the community might have.

The GM suggested that the reasons only personal standings were applicable were to do with a concern that 'reprocessing corps' might arise to sell zero-tax reprocessing; corp standings could also be used for POS anchoring; and that dealing with corp members with bad standing would be a problem.

I suggested that we already have corps which provide JC availability - people hop in and out of them at need in order not to affect the corp standings. Why not allow taxation the same leeway? Or, if a fix was needed, implement a requirement for the character to be in corp for a fixed period of time before corp NPC standings are effective - thus allowing the corp standing to repopulate reflecting current membership. Meaning hopping in and out wouldn't work for either service.

Finding which members of your corp affect your standings is easy - show composition on the specific NPC corp on your corp standings page. Many corps won't care about this kind of thing - people have lived without it for so long. But for those that do, they have the choice over whether to kick or to ask the player to raise his standing.

POS anchoring no longer requires much in the way of standing so isn't really relevant.

My whole argument here is that grinding corp standing is pretty labour intensive and there ought to be more of a reward than the availability of jump clones or eligibility to join FW.

Surely the notion that a new player could join a player corp and receive better access to mission agents, less taxation for reprocessing or market trading ought to be a good thing?

I don't see this as a bar to corps accepting applicants but more an extension of the choices we have available to us in New Eden. What do you guys think?
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-10-13 18:36:31 UTC
I don't recommend posting GM communications on here, it's against the rules. It might be better to simply put a summary of the convo (in your own words of course).

Although on the idea itself, I'm not sure how it was explained to effect the overall results of a reprocess. Whats the end objective, in essence?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#3 - 2014-10-13 19:09:08 UTC
Anything that could make it hard for a new player to get into a Corp particularly mining corps where most new players turn to gets a -1
kit amor
DarkstarRed
Elementium Alliance
#4 - 2014-10-13 19:31:24 UTC  |  Edited by: kit amor
Rowells wrote:
I don't recommend posting GM communications on here, it's against the rules. It might be better to simply put a summary of the convo (in your own words of course).

Although on the idea itself, I'm not sure how it was explained to effect the overall results of a reprocess. Whats the end objective, in essence?


I didn't realise that sorry. Will redact.

The end objective would be if your corp has sufficient standing with the NPC owning the station facilities, then, even although you don't have standing yourself, you can refine with zero tax. Or make market trades with less transaction tax. To make corp standings actually have more benefit to you.


Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Anything that could make it hard for a new player to get into a Corp particularly mining corps where most new players turn to gets a -1


It shouldn't be a hindrance to a new player joining - my thinking was it would be an incentive! If the corp picks an NPC facility to raise standing with that is a little out of the way - not for example Fed Navy, maybe Fed Admin? - then the new player is unlikely to have anything other than a neutral standing which wouldn't affect corp standings. The trick would be for the corp not to choose an NPC corp that would be attractive to mission runners.
Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-10-13 19:35:31 UTC
Getting in before the banhammer takes place.
Ix Method
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-10-13 22:39:05 UTC
So you want to expand the nightmare of forced grinds beyond jumpclones?

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kit amor
DarkstarRed
Elementium Alliance
#7 - 2014-10-13 23:55:41 UTC
Ix Method wrote:
So you want to expand the nightmare of forced grinds beyond jumpclones?


There's no 'forced' about it. Personal standings will still work if you have them. But, if you've chosen to do that grind for your corp - for whatever reason - then you'll get more benefit than just jump clones.

I really can't see a downside to this. Lots of corps won't care. But little ones might - and it presents a way to make life easier for new players - would encourage them to join player corps as the benefits are more tangible than just 'play with other folk, they'll help you'.

To be absolutely clear, nothing in EVE is of more assistance to a rookie than a vet willing to spend time and share knowledge and possibly spread some wealth. But that isn't always on offer.

It's just an idea.

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#8 - 2014-10-14 01:03:53 UTC
Basically no.

There are many ways the veteran players in your corp should be helping your new players to deal with this without having to make changes to the game. Just a couple that are favorites with everyone in my corp.

Invite them to fleets and have mission running parties. The vets get the pay, bonuses, bounties and the knowledge that they help the new players in the corp and the new players get standings boosts way beyond anything they could do for them selves as well as the salvage from the missions. Win Win as they say.

Have the vets with the proper standings offer reprocessing services for FREE to the new players.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#9 - 2014-10-14 03:39:21 UTC
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PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
#10 - 2014-10-17 17:56:00 UTC
AWESOME IDEA, KIT!
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#11 - 2014-10-17 19:19:08 UTC
kit amor wrote:
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The end objective would be if your corp has sufficient standing with the NPC owning the station facilities, then, even although you don't have standing yourself, you can refine with zero tax. Or make market trades with less transaction tax. To make corp standings actually have more benefit to you.


Even with level 3 storyline missions it is quicker to do-it-yourself. But in case it doesn't go fast enough, you can always train 'Social', 'Connections', 'Mining Connections', 'Distribution connections' and or 'Security Connections'.

I left 'Criminal Connections' out because I think it is safe to assume the no noob is going to nullsec and makes level 1-3 missions for pirate factions any time soon.

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