EVE New Citizens Q&A

I will assume that the proposal is that your friends join an official alliance?

Basing my opinion on my own experiences, others might feel completely different.

When someone joins an alliance there is a couple of things that will change, such as your members will have a new permanent channel "alliance", and if the alliance gets a war dec every corp in the alliance is in war.

You should also consider whether the people want you to join just to boost their own numbers, or use you as meat shield.
Chances are also high that you will have to alter your corporations rules to align with the alliance's rules, and in many cases you will not have a say in what the alliance do, or what plans they have.
So, if nothing else try to make sure that your CEO gets a say in future decisions and similar so that your corporations members wishes is expressed and taken into account.
Needless to say that even if you have a someone from your corp within the alliance's leadership that does not mean that your opinions/wishes will make a difference, which is a risk you have to take.

You should also keep in mind that alliance leaders can (and often will) abuse their members. By this i mean things like "Hey we have this great plan! But we need to get X amount of ISK first", which in turn ends up with plans falling trough, and ISK being lost or being used for the alliance leaders own benefit.

Basically you run into a lot of the same risks as you would joining a corporation, but since alliances tends to have more people, more people in leadership, and more drama, the risk of things going wrong gets a bit higher.

Alliance members can not freely shoot at each other.

If by allies you mean that you just set each other blue.
Well some of the same things can happen of course. In general you would have a new chat channel that all/both corporations share, agreements on things like who to war dec, sharing blues (and reds), following the same ROE... you get the idea.

But i have found that many that set each other blue really have no real reason to do so. You set each other blue, and you never really interact or see each other. So before you start setting everyone who asks blue, make sure that there is a reason behind doing it. Whether or not its joint mining operations, or making low sec life easier.

Also remember to the basic back ground checks.
As an example you have someone approach you saying that they are a pvp corp living in low sec and they want to set you blue and let you set up in their systems. Then you look at their KB and realize that they really have no idea what they are doing, and are getting slaughtered on a daily basis. Chances are high they just want you as blue to protect them, not for your mutual benefit.

Hope that helped answer some of your questions

You can be friendly on 2 manners:

1. Form an official alliance together.
2. Set each other as blue standings.


With the first, whenever your alliance is wardecced, you have to fight together. Other then flying under the same banner, there is nothing in common (they can't shoot you without CONCORD, etc.)

It's difficult to advise without knowing more about your "friend's" corp and the one offering alliance. However, I would be inclined to adopt the following strategy:

1. Start by doing some research on the other corp. EVEkill, forums, anything you can use to get some intel on them.
If there are no obvious alarm bells ringing, then ...
2. Contact the CEO and ask them about their corp, aims, objectives etc..
If those seem reasonable, then ...
3. Propose a "trial" period (maybe a month) where you set each other to +10, organise some joint activities, chat together on voice comms, etc..
If that goes well then ...
4. Join Alliance, kiss, cuddle, live happily ever after

I thank everyone for their replies.

I would like to clarify; the other corporation does not seek an alliance. They only wish to be allies.

I've done some research into the other corporation and they appear to hold the same interests as my client’s corporation. They appear to operate mostly in Hi-Sec, with occasional ventures into Low and Null Sec. Since the other corporations founding, they have been involved in only two wars. Neither war was recent and both appear to have ended badly for them.

The overall security rating for the other corporation is on the positive side. They have less than 30 members and having looked at each member individually, approximately 1/ 3 have no security listing I could find. Of the remaining members, all have security ratings on the positive side, with several having a security rating of only 0.1.

From looking at individual kill-boards, it appears the corporation members do not fair to well in combat situations. They appear to be doing alright financially as they have been able to replace the loss of several high value assets (….only to lose them again).

Further comments and observations would be greatly appreciated.

IMO, this hints at at the 1/3 being Alts of other members, though it is likely that number is higher, perhaps 1/2 of them or even more.
So, my guess is that Corp has 10 to 15 real players.



Are the losses mostly PvE losses? Mining losses? What did they lose during the times of their wars?
What are they doing when venturing into Low- and Null-sec?

I would still look at Vimsy's post as your guideline. The only difference I can see from what you have said is that the Alliance is a more formal type of ally system.

And LackofFaith has a good analysis of strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, tactics (SWOT analysis).

Edit: Whoops, missed the first line there.

So, if they're not interested in an actual alliance, what do they actually want? If they just want positive standings set,, then whatever that's a non-issue. If they actually want to intimately co-operate with your client's corporation on a regular basis that kind of thing is typically a precursor to actually forming an alliance.

For example, after several months of co-operating on wars, taking joint merc contracts, joining each others incoming wars as defenders and using the same teamspeak sever the alliance Pendulum of Doom became part of our alliance Break-A-Wish Foundation by having the main corp leave and join us instead (since we have the fancy unicorn logo).

If they're just going to sit there and be buddy buddy with your clients without actually promising some kind of tangible benefit and don't entertain the possibility of merging or forming an alliance then they're not your friends, they're the competition.

In my opinion your clients should kill them and eat their hearts to gain their power.