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Mass-based capacitor use of warp disruptors and stasis webifiers
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Miner Amarr
No Risk No ISK
#21 - 2014-10-12 15:36:33 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Miner Amarr wrote:


The idea that frigates can tackle battleships encourages blobs of battleships.
You cannot roam around solo in a battleship these days because a frigate can tackle you long enough for the blob to arrive.
If you needed a cruiser to tackle a battleship, then the battleship may have a chane to kill the cruiser and escape before the blob arrives. It does not make battleships pwn-mobiles because they take a lot of time to lock, a cruiser can thus decide wether to engage or run, but the battleship does not have that option.




battleships are not supposed to fly solo they are meant to be part of a fleet


Where is that written? Or is that just your opinion?

Battleships are meant to be used in whatever means someone wants them to be used. If I want to fly a battleship, I don't want to be forced to be part of a blob of 50 battleships because anything less is too risky to go around in.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#22 - 2014-10-12 15:42:18 UTC
Miner Amarr wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
no bigger ships are meant to be vulnerable to smaller ones.


and not until they can find another use for HICs


Bigger ships will still be vulnerable to small ones, but not to "too small" ones.
Also HICs are still good for tackling supers because of their tanking ability. A battleship pointing a supercarrier will be shortlived.


There is no such thing as too small a day one player should be able to use his frig to make it a bad day for anyone no mater how long they have played

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lugh Crow-Slave
#23 - 2014-10-12 15:44:05 UTC
Miner Amarr wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Miner Amarr wrote:


The idea that frigates can tackle battleships encourages blobs of battleships.
You cannot roam around solo in a battleship these days because a frigate can tackle you long enough for the blob to arrive.
If you needed a cruiser to tackle a battleship, then the battleship may have a chane to kill the cruiser and escape before the blob arrives. It does not make battleships pwn-mobiles because they take a lot of time to lock, a cruiser can thus decide wether to engage or run, but the battleship does not have that option.




battleships are not supposed to fly solo they are meant to be part of a fleet


Where is that written? Or is that just your opinion?

Battleships are meant to be used in whatever means someone wants them to be used. If I want to fly a battleship, I don't want to be forced to be part of a blob of 50 battleships because anything less is too risky to go around in.


its the idea behind eve its what makes it so that newer players can have a place in a fleet and why battle ships get bonuses to large guns not all sizes so that they need smaller ships with them (or a large number of bigger ones) to take care of frigs

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Miner Amarr
No Risk No ISK
#24 - 2014-10-12 15:52:51 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Miner Amarr wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Miner Amarr wrote:


The idea that frigates can tackle battleships encourages blobs of battleships.
You cannot roam around solo in a battleship these days because a frigate can tackle you long enough for the blob to arrive.
If you needed a cruiser to tackle a battleship, then the battleship may have a chane to kill the cruiser and escape before the blob arrives. It does not make battleships pwn-mobiles because they take a lot of time to lock, a cruiser can thus decide wether to engage or run, but the battleship does not have that option.




battleships are not supposed to fly solo they are meant to be part of a fleet


Where is that written? Or is that just your opinion?

Battleships are meant to be used in whatever means someone wants them to be used. If I want to fly a battleship, I don't want to be forced to be part of a blob of 50 battleships because anything less is too risky to go around in.


its the idea behind eve its what makes it so that newer players can have a place in a fleet and why battle ships get bonuses to large guns not all sizes so that they need smaller ships with them (or a large number of bigger ones) to take care of frigs


What can a t1 frigate do against a fleet of only supercarriers and titans?
Why doesn't a t1 frigate have a doomsday that can one-shot a titan?
The idea behind eve is that the universe is a dark and harsh place, not that 1 noob in a t1 frigate can kill a battleship.
Deryn Angrard
Lightning Squad
Snuffed Out
#25 - 2014-10-12 16:22:05 UTC
No one is ever forcing you to fly in blobs. You can always fly any ship solo, you just need to know what you are doing.

If you cant figure out how to kill a t1 frig in a battleship, you should lose it.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#26 - 2014-10-12 16:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
if you want to be less vulnerable to frigates, man up and fit a fit a heavy neut, a web and a drone damage amp like the rest of us.


or you know, bring a friend.

edit: just read the rest of the op's posts.


no you canot have a OMGSOLOPWNLOLYOLOSWAGYOUCANTCACHMENOOOOOOOOOOBMOBILE.
cos that's what your after.Roll

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#27 - 2014-10-12 20:52:28 UTC
Battlecruisers and Battleships should receive an inherent +1 and +2 warp core bonus, respectively.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Sigras
Conglomo
#28 - 2014-10-12 21:08:17 UTC
CCP this is the reason we need the ability to downvote threads... In fact while you're at it, can I just block people on the forums so I dont have to be subjected to their stupidity?

OP, if you cant figure out how to deal with frigates, you should stay in high sec.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#29 - 2014-10-12 21:11:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Sigras wrote:
CCP this is the reason we need the ability to downvote threads... In fact while you're at it, can I just block people on the forums so I dont have to be subjected to their stupidity?

OP, if you cant figure out how to deal with frigates, you should stay in high sec.

You can block people on the forums, click the name and the option should be in the drop down menu.

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Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#30 - 2014-10-12 21:39:15 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Sigras wrote:
CCP this is the reason we need the ability to downvote threads... In fact while you're at it, can I just block people on the forums so I dont have to be subjected to their stupidity?

OP, if you cant figure out how to deal with frigates, you should stay in high sec.

You can block people on the forums, click the name and the option should be in the drop down menu.

I think a lot of people are stupid, but censorship to preserve happy feel good feelings is antithetical to the purpose of discussion and this board. Roll

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#31 - 2014-10-12 21:57:21 UTC
Miner Amarr wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Miner Amarr wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Miner Amarr wrote:


The idea that frigates can tackle battleships encourages blobs of battleships.
You cannot roam around solo in a battleship these days because a frigate can tackle you long enough for the blob to arrive.
If you needed a cruiser to tackle a battleship, then the battleship may have a chane to kill the cruiser and escape before the blob arrives. It does not make battleships pwn-mobiles because they take a lot of time to lock, a cruiser can thus decide wether to engage or run, but the battleship does not have that option.




battleships are not supposed to fly solo they are meant to be part of a fleet


Where is that written? Or is that just your opinion?

Battleships are meant to be used in whatever means someone wants them to be used. If I want to fly a battleship, I don't want to be forced to be part of a blob of 50 battleships because anything less is too risky to go around in.


its the idea behind eve its what makes it so that newer players can have a place in a fleet and why battle ships get bonuses to large guns not all sizes so that they need smaller ships with them (or a large number of bigger ones) to take care of frigs


What can a t1 frigate do against a fleet of only supercarriers and titans?
Why doesn't a t1 frigate have a doomsday that can one-shot a titan?
The idea behind eve is that the universe is a dark and harsh place, not that 1 noob in a t1 frigate can kill a battleship.

And it can't
It can HOLD a battleship in place until a support fleet arrives to break the tank of the battleship, a noobish T1 frigate wont be able to take down a battleship in a million years. Either the passive shield regen or reppers would by far outperform the frigate, and the drones would likely make short work of it (if it doesn't kill them).

Frigates are the small annoying dudes that only pokes you, while the bigger stuff comes along after you're poked to smash you down.

Frigate tackle is fine.
Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-10-12 22:57:09 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
Also, where did the Crow touch you?

i would guess here


Ha!

OP -1

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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#33 - 2014-10-12 23:42:19 UTC
Miner Amarr wrote:
Change capacitor usage of warp disruptors and stasis webifier to be proportional to the mass of the target ship.
This would prohibit a frigate from pinning down a battleship endlessly, while allowing an interceptor to do so because it has an "80% reduction to propulsion jamming systems activation cost."

Also allow supers to be pointed. Or take away their immunity to ewar and make ewar activation cost proportional to the mass of the target ship.


There is something called a "drone". When used as a weapon system, it is able to prevent battleships from being "endlessly pinned down".

Maybe you should look into this awesome counter you apparently don't know about.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#34 - 2014-10-13 01:06:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ellendras Silver
Miner Amarr wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Miner Amarr wrote:

This would prohibit a frigate from pinning down a battleship endlessly

why?
frigates are meant to be able to do thisRoll


Why aren't frigates allowed to pin down titans endlessly?

You use interdictors and heavy interdictors to pin down supercapitals. You use interceptors to pin down battleships/carriers.

because supers and titans are fleet ships they are not designed for solo use, you can do it ofc but if a dictor or HIC find you you are f*cked. the same goes for real life airship carriers they are a huge force and comparable with supers and titans roughly i can assure you you will never find a ship like that alone in open sea, you know why right?

and about the ewar immunity being removed NO they been nerved enough

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HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#35 - 2014-10-13 01:25:49 UTC
Miner Amarr wrote:
Battleships are meant to be used in whatever means someone wants them to be used. If I want to fly a battleship, I don't want to be forced to be part of a blob of 50 battleships because anything less is too risky to go around in.

You don't need to be in a blob, you just need an escort if you plan to pvp in a battleship; same is true of real battleships too.
I've gone on adventures with cruisers with a battleship acting as flag.
Arla Sarain
#36 - 2014-10-13 09:44:51 UTC
Miner Amarr wrote:
prohibit a frigate from pinning down a battleship endlessly, while allowing an interceptor to do so because it has an "80% reduction to propulsion jamming systems activation cost."


And make interceptors the only viable frigates outside of FW yet once again.

Sure.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#37 - 2014-10-13 11:33:24 UTC
Miner Amarr wrote:
Zan Shiro wrote:
IIRC the lore.....disruptors and the like affect the navigation computer so mass not an issue.


Webs....forget their lore but fall back on the lore of this is what small ships do. fast frigate jumps on contact, slower dps mosey on in after.


Said this before in another thread but most start pvp in the tackle frigs. We had our fun in them when it was out time....now its their time. Some counters to this. I took isk/hour hits running warriors over hobs belt ratting. Or throw in some ecm drones if possible. In travel mode...well if the frigate scout is having fun clearing the camp obi the bs should not be jumping into it either.

Ttians and such...some poster had a nifty idea about redundant sensors and such and he is on the right path. Enough tackle to overload the super don't need the hics as much (for the crews who can't field suicide hics all night a reasonable idea imo).


Learn english before posting. Also take some lessons in Logic™ and Reading Comprehension™
When people resort to this type of reply, it really only highlights the weakness of the idea they are putting forward. If they had faith in their argument/idea, they would have argued that instead.

But your idea is bad and isn't based on any logic, let alone lore.

Oh and English is spelt with a capital E. Just saying. Blink

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Miner Amarr
No Risk No ISK
#38 - 2014-10-15 13:22:59 UTC
So far there have not been any valid counter arguments so the idea shall now be implemented.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#39 - 2014-10-15 15:11:31 UTC
you mean other then everyone calling you stark crazy and pointing out this would break pvp?
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#40 - 2014-10-15 15:18:02 UTC
tactics
tactics
tactics

so...yeah...
No
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