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Podex removed and clone costs
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#1 - 2014-10-06 21:28:48 UTC
Since we can no longer pod ourselves to reach a destination I believe the isk deterrent that is clone costs is no longer required for high skillpoint characters.

If CCP believes that subcaps should be used in place of ships with jumping ability they should also make expensive clones that are a deterrent to such gameplay a thing of the past.

There are several reasons why people going out to pvp would be more of an isk sink than occasional pod death with an expensive clone, they go as follows:

-They are not ratting when they pvp therefore they are not generating bounty isk/incursion payouts
-Current industry is isk sink so modules and ships dying destroy isk as well
-They use more faction ammo and modules on ships that die, LP stores are isk sink (I am aware incursion runners only use faction ammo but lets forget about that please)
-??They kill other people carebearing for isk??

Add more reasons why this should be a thing besides the obvious now I can shamelessly pvp and not be risk averse because of *expensive pod no matter what I put on it thing*

Thank you in advance for agreeing with me.

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Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#2 - 2014-10-06 22:31:17 UTC
Honestly seeing the suicide clone fast travel go is nice. It kinda defeated the purpose of traveling to a place. Especially when traveling through low/null. Having to actually dock at the station you want to set your medical clone to just makes sense.

However, what got me to reply was to the misconception that I read. Losing ships and implants is not an isk sink. The isk is still in circulation. It's still in the wallet of the person you bought the ship, equipment, and implants from.

The exception to this is if the items are bought off the LP store. Having to update your clone after being podded is also an isk sink.

Instead, it's a material sink. Isk sinks work against inflation by removing isk that is in circulation. Material sinks do the opposite. They encourage inflation.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#3 - 2014-10-06 23:20:03 UTC
Given basically all implants come from the LP store they are an isk sink. Clone costs are also not a significant isk sink making up 2-3% last time CCP published if I remember right. Since then they have introduced a massive isk sink into manufacturing.
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#4 - 2014-10-07 09:06:16 UTC
Yes. This is a good idea.

If one needs to compensate it is possible to hike up the cost of moving the medical clone from the current 5600 isk fee. I would go even further and just remove the medical clone grades altogehter (or make upgrading clone automatic after pod loss at the very least if one has sufficient funds) and allow people to set their medical to any station they are docked with. Possibly add significant fee if the station does not have a medical facility.

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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#5 - 2014-10-07 15:54:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Arya Regnar
Carniflex wrote:
Yes. This is a good idea.

If one needs to compensate it is possible to hike up the cost of moving the medical clone from the current 5600 isk fee. I would go even further and just remove the medical clone grades altogehter (or make upgrading clone automatic after pod loss at the very least if one has sufficient funds) and allow people to set their medical to any station they are docked with. Possibly add significant fee if the station does not have a medical facility.


I am ok with this.


Angeal MacNova wrote:
Honestly seeing the suicide clone fast travel go is nice. It kinda defeated the purpose of traveling to a place. Especially when traveling through low/null. Having to actually dock at the station you want to set your medical clone to just makes sense.

However, what got me to reply was to the misconception that I read. Losing ships and implants is not an isk sink. The isk is still in circulation. It's still in the wallet of the person you bought the ship, equipment, and implants from.

The exception to this is if the items are bought off the LP store. Having to update your clone after being podded is also an isk sink.

Instead, it's a material sink. Isk sinks work against inflation by removing isk that is in circulation. Material sinks do the opposite. They encourage inflation.



As others have said already manufacturing is a significant isk sink now (see index costs for more information).
Please check the stuff you write about.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#6 - 2014-10-07 16:36:05 UTC
Automatic upgrade would be nice.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#7 - 2014-10-07 16:46:23 UTC
I was kind of stunned when I read this. I've been playing straight through since my born on date. I have a LOT of SP. The cost of upgrading a medical clone is pretty tiny. If you've played long enough to have 150 mil SP, affording that clone is easy peasy.

I'm bad at eve and the cost is inconsquential. Come on guys, quit asking for handouts.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#8 - 2014-10-07 16:47:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Arya Regnar
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I was kind of stunned when I read this. I've been playing straight through since my born on date. I have a LOT of SP. The cost of upgrading a medical clone is pretty tiny. If you've played long enough to have 150 mil SP, affording that clone is easy peasy.

I'm bad at eve and the cost is inconsquential. Come on guys, quit asking for handouts.

Do you fly frigs, destroyers and cruisers around nullsec? It's not just about those 30/45m you have to pay, there are people who avoid pvp because they are cheap.

You are better off flying a 20m SP char.

High skillpoints shouldn't be penalized in this way when they have no advantage.

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Seiko Hikitari
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-10-11 00:11:32 UTC
I approve of this. Medical clone grade mechanics are silly.