Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Actually, you're incorrect in your presumption there.


When you account that the majority of ships used by cloaky campers are of the covops frigate types, and therefore not all that tanky, the premise that he is, indeed, looking for easy kills is not out of the question.

The OP was asking why all of the threads about cloaks keep getting locked. The conversation you have quoted here is tangential to the discussion that was originally started.

Negative, well yes one could argue that and you would even find me agreeing up to a point.

It being an Ad Hom? No, sorry.

At this point I, others and CCP have grown tired of the same old illogical arguments and fallacies. Hence one of the reasons why they now shut these down asap. It's also one of the reasons for many negative responses.

Oh I am done. I got my answer from Daichi. It validates what I have been saying for a while in regards to why the PVPers constantly fight against cloak changes.

It takes away their safety net.

Though in answering that, it shows why the cloaky threads get closed. They often degrade to just name calling, passive aggressiveness, and much like what happened here. They stray off topic.

Bubbles, cans, dictors, interceptors. My cloaked butt has been blown up plenty. If you use gates to travel your cloaked luck will run out eventually.

Again, I'm not saying that your point is invalid. My point is that it was a negative statement that was directed at an individual. That's what an ad hominem is. But I'm not going to continue to have this discussion. It doesn't belong here. I was simply trying to give the OP a couple examples of why these threads keep getting locked. I wasn't trying to start an argument over who's statements are ad hominem and who's aren't. If you disagree with me, that's fine. I'm sure I'll live through it.

Speaking of straying off topic, answer me two questions. When do the nerfs stop? When you have gotten everything you want nerfed, and are finally happy with your game, what about the next guy who wants to nerf how you play your game?

Everyone complaining is someone who plays WoW on a PVE server. It's talked about a lot, because half of eve is people expecting World of Boringcraft.

To slightly misquote John Wayne:

EvE is hard, it's harder if you're dumb.

If you're not capable of adapting to changing circumstances and parameters then EVE is certainly the wrong game for you. As a wormhole resident I really find myself disdainful of the anti-cloak throng. Mainly due to the fact that cloaks have even more power in wormhole space due to the lack of an artificial chat client that instantaneously reports anyone's presence in system(Not to mention the incredibly powerful map tools).

Now you may argue, "But that's because you don't have cynos." To which I merely have to roll my eyes in contempt for the blatant inexperience in which the comment is made. Now I can't speak for all wormhole capital pilots(which should go without saying), but my corporation lives in fear of the hero buzzard with a point. Doesn't matter if we pop it quick enough, but if he manages to get point on one of our capital ships before it can warp out then that's enough time for the cavalry to charge in and drop the axe.

You may try to say now that, "Well doesn't that just prove my point?" Not in the slightest. That is the only scenario in which we are vulnerable while conducting operations. If anything we are too safe, and you can draw a similar analogy between that and cov ops dropping a cyno on a ratting carrier. With the tools available to you in nullsec (maps, local, intel channels, scouts), it's completely stupefying that anyone can be stupid enough to be caught in nullsec. And on top of that you have the almost effortless and immediate option of moving to somewhere else until they leave(or simply just not come back), while in the meantime I'm restricted to where my POS is.