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CCP: support for colour blind players

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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#1 - 2014-10-10 17:18:54 UTC
It's time for my yearly moan about CCP's consistent ignorance of the needs of colour blind players. I believe tthat this may be the 10th yearly moan. The last 9 have resulted in ZERO improvement and ZERO attention but I am compelled to keep trying.

The timing of this thread coincides with the recent introduction of wormhole colours.

CCP. Do you understand that a significant sector of your target population is colour blind? and that about 5% are severely colour blind?

Apparently there is some kind of new colour coded information in wormholes. A great many EVE players are unable to process that information. Thousands of players want some *additional* visual cue... Thousands of players are being ignored and have been for 10 years.

As a gaming company CCP has the chance to be the ONLY one that listens and accounts for the needs of colour blind players... Alas... they completely ignore colour blind players. .... again. for the 10th year in a row.

Last year some CSM guy clamped on to the idea an promised that he would get it on the agenda. For the first time ever I had hope of being heard.

He failed.

This year I don't want CSM "prancing" with no results. This year I want someone to clamp on to the idea and get CCP to include colour blind players in their test group.

Does CCP dare to listen? For the last 10 years the answer has been no. What about this year?

T-
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2014-10-10 17:26:37 UTC
How many others games have you played that support the color blind?

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Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2014-10-10 17:48:37 UTC
I was genuinely curious.

As far as your response, precedent is used to make decisions whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#4 - 2014-10-11 00:12:53 UTC
Removed some off topic posts.

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Linkxsc162534
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-10-11 01:03:22 UTC
Again, like the last 2 years i support colorblind additions to the game. For though I am not colorblind mtself, I have spent more than enough time playing with colorblind friends and having troubles because of it.

Seriously most of the color cue thing in the game could just have a color adjust slider (the kid I game with can handle shades of blue/green, but not red), or be switched to a different polygon. Most people at a glance can differentiate up to 7 sided shapes in a split second (beyond that youll start running into pixel size issues and that a 8 side vs a 10 sided gets harder and harder to notice quickly)

Like really, its pretty bs that in this age, when playing a game. 1 of my group of friends need to keep a livestream open on a spare monitor of another friends screen so we can tell him if hes getting locked onto but not shot at yet. (Though he cant tell whos shooting at him either because he cant see the box in the overview)
Arya Ikahrus
#6 - 2014-10-11 01:38:08 UTC
+1 for this suggestion.
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#7 - 2014-10-11 01:57:51 UTC
I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me.
Linkxsc162534
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-10-11 02:43:11 UTC
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me.

Well different colorblindnesses and different intensities.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2014-10-11 03:30:41 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
How many others games have you played that support the color blind?


What does this have to do with anything?

If the costs are prohibitive, make that argument.

If it is simply not feasible coding wise make that argument.

Using a variant of the argumentum ad populum is just stupid.

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HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#10 - 2014-10-11 04:43:21 UTC
Linkxsc162534 wrote:
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
I'm color blind, I have yet to run into trouble with that. However, Vis and Amarr ships are identical to me.

Well different colorblindnesses and different intensities.

I mean I don't know what part is the issue, the only tough ones come down to shades already and most color cues in the game have secondary shapes.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#11 - 2014-10-11 05:03:34 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
How many others games have you played that support the color blind?


Battlefield Series - You can actually choose which type of colorblind you are, and it changes the friend/foes color tags accordingly

World of Tanks - Change the red enemies to blue

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
#12 - 2014-10-11 06:17:11 UTC
I support this. Simply because it is not an unreasonable request, and is well thought out and researched as well as being presented in a civil manner.

+1

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Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-10-11 07:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Steppa Musana
~2.2% of males suffer from dichromacy, as in one of their three color receptors do not function at all.

It's a shame other games do not recognize this in their design. Hopefully CCP does though!

Hey guys.

Discomanco
We pooped on your lawn
#14 - 2014-10-11 08:45:42 UTC
As for the new wormhole effects, you can show info on them to see which ships they allow (which is what the colors identify). Not a brilliant fix or anything, but still...

... I support. +1
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#15 - 2014-10-11 09:01:04 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
~2.2% of males suffer from dichromacy, as in one of their three color receptors do not function at all.

It's a shame other games do not recognize this in their design. Hopefully CCP does though!


But that is TRUE colorblindness.

Dichromacy - 1 of their color receptors is inoperable
Anomalous Trichromacy - 1 of their color receptors is not working properly

Dichromacy 2.4% 0.03%
Protanopia (red deficient: L cone absent) 1.3% 0.02%
Deuteranopia (green deficient: M cone absent) 1.2% 0.01%
Tritanopia (blue deficient: S cone absent) 0.001% 0.03%

Anomalous Trichromacy 6.3% 0.37%
Protanomaly (red deficient: L cone defect) 1.3% 0.02%
Deuteranomaly (green deficient: M cone defect) 5.0% 0.35%
Tritanomaly (blue deficient: S cone defect) 0.0001% 0.0001%

So although (according to wikipedia) 2.4% of the population is truly colorblind, an additional 6.3% have a malfunctioning color receptor. This means that about 8.7% of Eve subscribers are probably colorblind at some level.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness

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Miomeifeng Alduin
Lithonauts Inc.
#16 - 2014-11-15 04:58:03 UTC
As a colorblind player, i can only support this suggestion. Please allow us the chance to choose a colorblind mode, or even to adjust our own colors clientside for the UI. (for example, i can see if someone is targetting me, but not if they are attacking me. the red rectangle in the overview around the big red cross, is something i have a lot of trouble seeing. This can lead to very uncomfortable surprises in every part of the game.)
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#17 - 2014-11-15 05:01:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Miomeifeng Alduin wrote:
As a colorblind player, i can only support this suggestion. Please allow us the chance to choose a colorblind mode, or even to adjust our own colors clientside for the UI. (for example, i can see if someone is targetting me, but not if they are attacking me. the red rectangle in the overview around the big red cross, is something i have a lot of trouble seeing. This can lead to very uncomfortable surprises in every part of the game.)


For a situation like this, even something as simple as giving the "entity is targeting you" and "entity is attacking you" brackets a different visual appearance (referring to shape rather than color) would probably make a big difference.

+1 for a proper "colorblind" mode, though.
Vicail Arbosa
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-12-20 06:45:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Vicail Arbosa
As a Colorblind player myself I fully support this request. Google actually had the foresight to code color correction into their latest version of Android so it can be system wide as I have been requesting Microsoft to allow for years to no avail. But seriously I have major issues distinguishing from friendly and enemy in local with the colors CCP chose to use to highlight them. I have to mouse over the names/icons one at a time to see if they are in my corp, or an enemy and it gets very tedious.

Editing to post link to an example of what I deal with the whole time I play. this a small snipping of my local window and the icons next to the names. I can not see a difference in the colors of the icons in the window shown at all. I have to actually mouse oer each one one to see if they are in my corp or a WT.


http://imgur.com/Vmcga9u
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#19 - 2014-12-20 08:27:57 UTC
Vicail Arbosa wrote:
As a Colorblind player myself I fully support this request. Google actually had the foresight to code color correction into their latest version of Android so it can be system wide as I have been requesting Microsoft to allow for years to no avail. But seriously I have major issues distinguishing from friendly and enemy in local with the colors CCP chose to use to highlight them. I have to mouse over the names/icons one at a time to see if they are in my corp, or an enemy and it gets very tedious.

Editing to post link to an example of what I deal with the whole time I play. this a small snipping of my local window and the icons next to the names. I can not see a difference in the colors of the icons in the window shown at all. I have to actually mouse oer each one one to see if they are in my corp or a WT.


http://imgur.com/Vmcga9u



TBH, people who see the full color spectrum won't see the issue with the picture you have provided because they look at that and with a glance instantly see the color difference.

http://www.colourblindawareness.org/colour-blindness/types-of-colour-blindness/
http://wearecolorblind.com/article/a-quick-introduction-to-color-blindness/

Here are a couple websites that have some comparison pictures that actually adapt the picture to what a colorblind person actually sees when they look at the example pictures. It's crazy, but the dueteranopia pictures look the same to me as the standard picture.

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thebarry
7-2 Ronin
#20 - 2014-12-20 10:13:20 UTC
+1

The yellow vs red brackets are difficult for me to decipher as well, and I am only partially color blind :(
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