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Incoming Stealth Bomber nerf?

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Aerakis Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-10-10 01:37:02 UTC
I read that there may be/is a nerf bat somewhere ready to take a swing at bombers. I've only recently started flying them, and have already seen how insanely effective they are for wiping out entire fleets with little to no counter available. There are a lot of fits and ship types which may be excluded from doctrines/fun fleets because a handful of bombers will wipe them out.

From your experiences, do bombers need a nerf? If they do, what do you the players think the best way to bring them back into balance would be? Interested to hear what others think.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#2 - 2014-10-10 01:38:36 UTC
No one really had a problem with bombers until they stopped decloaking one another and could be isboxed. Just sayin'.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#3 - 2014-10-10 01:53:29 UTC
It's simple.... we ban the ISBoxers.

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GreenSeed
#4 - 2014-10-10 02:39:32 UTC
bombers don't need a nerf, they need to have some its power moved from the front loading balance nightmare that bombs are, to a more sustained effect... maybe making bombs deal more damage, but deal it over time on an area instead of "BOOM fleet is gone".

or removing bombs completely, and giving torps fired from bombers AOE (the code is there), and allowing bombers to re-cloak even when targeted.

anything that will remove the insane alpha from bombs, while leaving bombers a viable deterrent to brainless blobs.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#5 - 2014-10-10 02:42:44 UTC
Just remove bombs aoe.

They explode on impact. Deal even more damage. Like 15-20k alpha. Now you have bombs.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#6 - 2014-10-10 02:44:59 UTC
Bombers are fine. Cloakies not decloaking one another is not. Nor ever was, when you get right down to it.

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Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-10-10 03:05:54 UTC
I have had bombs chucked at me. They need a buff because i have yet to be blowed up by one.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#8 - 2014-10-10 03:11:36 UTC
Ban ISBoxers.

Bombers fixed. Mining Fixed. ISBoxer whine threads fixed.




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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#9 - 2014-10-10 04:21:03 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Ban ISBoxers.

Bombers fixed. Mining Fixed. ISBoxer whine threads fixed.




Its like killing the Batman. Its simple and literally solves everything.


I'm confused, since you are the one saying that does that mean it would be a good or bad thing AttentionQuestionShocked

bring back the firewall is all I'll say, pretty sure we saw that used very well in the AT. Smartbombs seem to be the solution to every single problem in eve!

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Shey Nabali
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-10-10 05:12:38 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Ban ISBoxers.

Bombers fixed. Mining Fixed. ISBoxer whine threads fixed.




Its like killing the Batman. Its simple and literally solves everything.


I'm confused, since you are the one saying that does that mean it would be a good or bad thing AttentionQuestionShocked

bring back the firewall is all I'll say, pretty sure we saw that used very well in the AT. Smartbombs seem to be the solution to every single problem in eve!



As someone who has multi-boxed a firewaller in damn near every fleet I've been in for the last couple months, they are incredibly useful and powerful, but they are far from a i-win button. They rock for killing small and medium drones, and they force heavies back into bays. But sentries can be a ***** and a half to clear quickly, since they can be spread over a huge volume of space. If they get dropped at around 100km(MJD) off, or within 20-30, it's pretty quick to clear them, but if they get dropped between 40-70, it's going to take awhile. And if they drop them directly on gate or station you can't smartbomb them at all. You really need 2-3 firewallers to clear heavies/gila drones or sentries quickly, and forget clearing rattler drones in less than a like 50 ******* cycles.

Bombs can come in from pretty much any direction. Firewalling BSs are just as slow as regular BSs, and cruisers can only fit medium smartbombs, making for a tiny margin of error.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2014-10-10 05:42:15 UTC
O dear all those tears...how many of you have actually died to a bombing run in 0.0?

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#12 - 2014-10-10 05:47:43 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
It's simple.... we ban the ISBoxers.


And it removes a lot of issues in EVE.

When 5 guys can symphony slaughter 200 actual players the game becomes a poopsock. It's a form of botting and everyone knows it.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#13 - 2014-10-10 05:56:40 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
It's simple.... we ban the ISBoxers.


And it removes a lot of issues in EVE.

When 5 guys can symphony slaughter 200 actual players the game becomes a poopsock. It's a form of botting and everyone knows it.
It's not botting though, so oh well. Set up isboxer, sod off to work then come back later and see how much has been accomplished. And the only "issue" that removing isboxers will accomplish is a handful of whiners will stop whining. I agree it's too easy in some circumstances to use isboxer fleets, but in most situations the same number of real people have a considerably higher efficiency. Nuking isboxer from the game completely would just be CCP throwing away subs to appease people who have no idea what they are talking about.

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Doomheim
#14 - 2014-10-10 06:09:09 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Just remove bombs aoe.


Which pretty much defeats the purpose -- in the same way that Titan DD's got hosed.

Bombs didn't used to be cheap, either, but they've been cheap as chips for years now.

THAT is the problem.

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#15 - 2014-10-10 06:52:05 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
It's simple.... we ban the ISBoxers.


And it removes a lot of issues in EVE.

When 5 guys can symphony slaughter 200 actual players the game becomes a poopsock. It's a form of botting and everyone knows it.
It's not botting though, so oh well. Set up isboxer, sod off to work then come back later and see how much has been accomplished. And the only "issue" that removing isboxers will accomplish is a handful of whiners will stop whining. I agree it's too easy in some circumstances to use isboxer fleets, but in most situations the same number of real people have a considerably higher efficiency. Nuking isboxer from the game completely would just be CCP throwing away subs to appease people who have no idea what they are talking about.


I know exactly what I am talking about. Your bloo-bloo-bloo yarns won't convince me otherwise.

I also know why it wasn't removed a long time ago and that hasn't changed so don't get your knickers in a knot. EVE and ISBoxer are hand and glove for the foreseeable future.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#16 - 2014-10-10 07:32:08 UTC
Meh. I hardly figured out how to effectively use one and now they want to nerf it.

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Aerakis Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-10-10 08:49:47 UTC
*noob alert* What's an ISBoxer? Not come across that term before.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-10-10 09:07:20 UTC
Aerakis Koskanaiken wrote:
*noob alert* What's an ISBoxer? Not come across that term before.


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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#19 - 2014-10-10 10:29:57 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Meh. I hardly figured out how to effectively use one and now they want to nerf it.


I can't seem to get it right at all so you're one up on me
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-10-10 10:58:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Adrie Atticus
Aerakis Koskanaiken wrote:
*noob alert* What's an ISBoxer? Not come across that term before.


It's a piece of software which allows you to copy/repeat/clone/propagate mouse clicks and keyboard commands on multiple interfaces or computers at the same time.
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