Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You don't want to get it. do you.
As a skillful Ganker i claim to know the situation very well.
Your buddy made tones of mistake.
1. there is no safe in space
2. he didn't prepare, instead of fitting a tank he wilded cargo rigs and cargo expanders on there,
see the trade off,more tank = less cargo | more cargo less tank
3. any ship can cloak faster then a tornado can target it. if you're paying attention.
4. super secret insider ****, avoid main travel routs and use bookmarkt in station docking range - you'll understand why if we evr meet
5. use the I WIN BUTON and put stuff in orca corp hangars,

tears tears he couldn't react, its high-sec its do or die, risk on both sides, if the tornado can't one hit him the tornado dies.

With these steps you can avoid some skillles Gankers, not me of course. but stop whining, you know the deal with the transport ships, if you don't want to take a risk then fly low value stuff more often or make a courier contract or get out and give me all you'r phat stuff.

EVE could use some serious discussion about ship balance.

What is the correct hit point for a transport ship? 1? 1000? 10000? a billion?

By itself, it's only a number. It has no meaning without a context. So what's the other important number? Damage. If you know the damage, then you can set the hit point according to how long you want the ship to survive in certain situations.

What is the concept behind the transport ships though? What I'm reading from most people in this thread is that a Cov Ops transport -should- die in a single hit. It's not meant to be hit at all. If that's the intention, then fine, it's working as intended.

However, where's the other options for haulers? Is it possible to have Transport ship that can survive for 1 minute against a tornado? It's not like Transport ships are cheap. Transport ship sell at around 100mil isk.

For reference, a tornado has a volley damage of 11k at skill V with 1400 arties.


I don't fly Transport ships yet, but I will - I have to say though, the Transport ships are underwhelming. For tech 2 version of the hauler, they don't have so much to offer. The Cov ops transport is likely the best for dangerous hauling, but that comes at the sacrifice of cargo, and yet it still has low hp. Cargo on Cov ops transport is 3-10k and the basic hp is 8-30k. More hp also means less speed, agility and cargo.

Here's Poetic's blog http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/12/hauling-using-nullsec-scout.html

Nice lists of mistakes, but you guys left one out:

Always be wary of courier contracts. Gankers create these for the specific purpose of killing you. They know where you're going to undock, they know where you're going, they know what you have in your hold ahead of time. You pay collateral which you then don't get back, and they get to take the loot anyways.

You know where you are picking the contract up at ahead of time too. Dock when you get there, get that frigate you should have packed in out, undock and go fix some coffee. When you get back bookmark and re-dock. Don't have to make one for every station when you know EXACTLY where you'll be going anyways.

Another fun way to annoy gankers trying this tactic: Dock up at the station wait a few minutes, then undock in an iteron I. They gank your crapdustrial, get concordookened, then you undock in the real mccoy with no issues.

I can't agree on the more hitpoints suggestion for Blackade Runners as I don't see a need for it. The ship needs a weakness and that should be it. If you can't get away with a covert cloaky + 10mn micro and it's < 10 ships on the gate you need more practice.

The cargo value argument doesn't make sense to me. Risk VS Reward is forever in play.



Interdiction Nullifier addition for the tier II transport ships is very good idea. Their armor bonuses can then be put to the test as they take fire while trying to get to warp speed. if you have 5 stabs you should be safe if you can take the damage.

And they will retain one natural enemy, the Heavy Interdictor, to which there is no cure to unlimited warp scramble strength (focused) no matter how many warp stabs you equip.

This might expand trade in 0.0 as well because it will be safe for non-jump ships to travel with large loads.

Obviously no nullifier for the Blockade Runners as that would just make them too unfair.

Stopped reading at this point, when he signed the contract he signed his own death. The collateral of the courrier was probably much higher than the cost of the Tornado+Garbage loot. Pirate waits outside station ready to gank those we accept contract.

Thanks, I accept, i'm brain less ;-)

take a DST and fit its lowslots with bulkheads and a damage control II and you get a serious amount of HP + Resis. Also some surprise for hulltanking ;-) (Hull reppers are very slow but good to clean up the mess afterwards)

Fit an occator with T2 Repper, dmg control, Hardeners / erng. Platings and an armorplate and you also get a decent amount of EHP. Add some Tank supporting rigs (buffer or rep bonus).

Last time i checked that could hold of a lot of dmg. Repping away a Torp fitted raven and even sustaining some volleys of alpha BS setup.

Not so sure about the number but after undocking you are invulnerable for 20 or 30 seconds or until you change the course of your ship. you can stop your ship without loosing the invu timer.
If you get shot out of station and it's not in your warp direction stop ship, warp off to a celestial or have a save bm. stopping ship will allow you to align faster without drifting around but you cold be bounced. Celestial might be a bit obvious but using something between 10 and 100 km warp distance should limit the risk the enemy is waiting there.
If you are in a low traffic system use the 20 sec do get out of rang for cloaks and hit the MWD short before the time is over. You should be able to cloak pretty fast after hitting mwd, if not it might not be a so low traffic system.


One thing i would like to see a change concerning Logistics is that the Freighter should get an industrial SMA like the Rorqual so it can take a fitted Hauler with it. Freighter can stay on the main route while you collect the small stuff in off road systems.

Wait, you are dying in a blockade runner in high sec?

Wow, i find this interesting. I've never lost one in 0.0, lost one in low sec due to lag, and you've apparently been one shot in high sec. Do you realize what this means?

The ability of the blockade runner to avoid destruction is indirectly proportional to the security rating of the system you're in.

My alt has had the same BR since they could fit a cloak. It's fitted for full cargo too, including tech2 rigs.

Therefore I do not agree with the OP.

yes it was 30/30. but the invu timer is independent from the session change timer. And the Session change timer is the one which prevented you from docking. And the session timer has been changed to 20 sec.

Most people already know this, but a DST can do the mwd/cloak trick, too. It just takes a little practice.