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Which is the point. Deth2allindustials

the best idea i heard so far was a new long range, long cycling, low damage smartbomb on a destroyer ship hull.

Arazu gets a gets a bead on you, approaches, uncloaks, and bang, lights a covert cyno immediatly after uncloaking and his friends jump in ontop of you. not so harmless is it?

You beat me to it!

It is rather annoying when you go looking for a fight and they all just dock up because they know that they cannot win.

To bad there isn't a way to maintain a persistant presence in that system so that one could wait for a good ambush...

Truth is that I don't like AFK cloaking as much as the ones I'm AFK Cloaking, it's boring. Drop local and make everyone happy

Sorry my bad don't pay much attention to people's corps in ideas threads, you were supporting afk cloaking whinners.... but seeing your corp I can see your real interest is most likely catching cloaked ships at your zone camp.. er I mean gate camp in Rancer.

In all seriousness I imagine your real issue is with cynos not cloaks.

First things first. I usually don't respond to posts by random throwaway alts in noob corps. Man up and post on a main.

That being said I actually do agree with you about docking up or logging off. It's annoying to corner an enemy fleet in a dead end only to have them log off and escape. It's also annoying to be swarming around someone's home system and see people talking smack in local from the safety of a station. I know there are certain game mechanics that you just can't get around but I don't think anyone or any thing should ever be 100% safe in eve, that's the problem I have with the cloaking device.

Also I don't get why getting rid of local would help the situation at all. It would make AFK cloaking more effective not less effective.

Problem: "There is some dude hiding outside my apartment building. He's been stabbing people for the last two weeks, nobody can chase him down because he's an invisible wizard or something. I don't want to go outside because I'll get stabbed without being able to catch him. And he has the power to teleport a load of other knife wielding dudes on top of himself."

Solution: "Lets make him more difficult to detect so you don't know he is out there."

Basically you show up in someone's ratting system in your covops. You immediately cloak so you don't show up on D-scan. Then you just poke your own D-scan every few hours or so (whenever you are at your computer) looking for ratters.

Then you have all your cap pilots and black ops pilots in your alliance in one chat channel along with you so you have them on call when you find something worth jumping. Then you point your target, cyno in a gank fleet, blow them up, and GTFO.

On the defending side the only counter to this is to have a home defense fleet already made and protecting your ratter /miner so that when the blob shows up you can fight it. This means you have 1 person in a ratting battleship actually doing some ratting while 20 people in pvp ships sit bored out of their skull protecting one dude from a theoretical hot drop.

Now the most annoying part of this is that the cloaky guy in local will only start at fight that he knows his side can absolutely win. So if you have a 20 man ratting babysitter fleet hovering in space the cloaky will only jump you if he can get 40 dudes for a black ops drop, or enough carriers and supers to kill your little gang. So the home defense gang knows that the only way this evening will end is either by staring at one dude running havens all night or by getting out blobbed and blowing up.

We keep going on about risk vs. reward and balance issues in eve. I just think that the way cloaking devices are now they make gameplay unbalanced. Also the most effective use of cloaking devices makes gameplay that just isn't very fun.

For the AFK cloaker it's not exciting gameplay at all, you just log on and poke your computer every once in a while, it's probably more boring than checking facebook. For the people doing the hot dropping it's not really a kill you can be proud of. Congratulations you got in a bomber, took a jump portal, and fired at some random battleship that you absolutely know is going to blow up along with 20 other dudes. And for the defenders it's really annoying because you'll either get blue balled or out blobbed.

Personaly I think the Decloaking thing is a bad ideal. It weakens the cloak to much for it's real intented perposses.

How ever I would fully support a new state of the art Scaning prob that can only scan down cloaked ships and with perfect skills and ship and hardwiring would take at least 20mins to scan down.

That 20 mins is more then whats needed to gtfo cloak up and log out or put a cryo up. Or actively fly around cloaked from safe spot to safe spot but req's you to be at pc at least only kind of afk like Ice mining.

It how ever will not let you sit there 24/7 and be online at the same time.

Edit: And I only say that becouse real life spys have to work damn hard at stealing intel and so should the afk cloakers in any Allance system or WH.

That way they have to at least be at the pc playing to gain what ever there goals are for siting in that system.

+1 on the fuel bay but limit it to 1 hour max. Cov ops cloaks are not intended to unbalance the game. 1 hour is plenty of time on a cloak that you only need occasionally. They are intended for spying/scouting. Not making up for a loser corp incapable of pvp'ing their way to owning 0.0. By having the 1 hour limit the cov ops would be perfectly capable of doing that job anywhere in the eve universe without giving any loser who can log onto a computer the ability to ruin the game play of normal industrialists/PVE'ers. Several hundreds of people live in 0.0 but cannot take advantage of the space because 1 loser logs on a computer then goes to work. That is a broken game mechanic that has caused large amounts of people to cancel their eve accounts. But apparently ccp doesn't care if you pay them money. Just lay off a few people and that will make up for all the canceled accounts.

That is the only way to make ccp listen is to cancel your eve accounts. Apparently the people using this tactic because they can't take 0.0 space in a normal manner are they only one's ccp will listen to.

As far as the prototype cloaks go they should get the sig radius so you can scan them down but only with very high scan skills.

BTW..
yes im mad..
yes you can haz my stufz
yes you're a .....
yes w/e

its not just about 00 warfare, lowsec has it even worse as you dont even have the option to drop bubbles and cans to decloak them when they are moving about in system.

I will make you a deal. Take away local, COMPLETLY, and I will gladly support the creation of anticloaking technology. I never said it wasn't a good idea, I said it wasn't a good idea with local the way it is. And I want to emphasis completly, that means no sov mods, no nothing, just delayed local like it is in wormholes.

After this the game would evolve, you wouldn't be able to react until an attack is already underway. This would cause a lot of outrage, but it would also encourage teamwork, something that many WH corps and alliances have, while 0.0 elite corps can't even fathom the thought of ratting with a few other guys for safety.