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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#101 - 2014-10-06 19:07:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
Mr Unanimous wrote:


*Ahem* ;)

  • Buff rats in belts? Love that idea. That would be fun...but in the same respect, must buff signature fights as well.

  • NPC corps at war by default? Meh.....no basis for this idea and wonky foundation at best because then it eliminates FW's entire purpose AND that FW is connected to Dust 514. *thumbs down* dumb idea, bro.

  • Remove local? Maybe. Probably not. This just creates a burden where there is no burden plus with the new changes to the overview, it can be set up as an instant and constant D-scan. This idea sounds like a baby not getting its bottle and going wah wah to mommy. Dumb idea bro.

  • No wardec dodges - Love this idea, but you aren't the first to think it up so keep on beating that horse, you plagiarizing plagiarizer lol ;)

  • Move level 4 missions to low/null? Yep. Because the NPE isn't bad enough we need to REALLY f!ck it up real good *laughs* you slippin', fallin', can't get up, oh yeah you slippin', fallin' you gots to get up. Worst idea ever dude. Legit. Stand in the corner ;)

  • Remove hisec incursions? See now you're losing track as an ideas man and you sound like another poor soul who has nothing to really live for so the pew pew game must solely benefit them. You and James 315 should have tea and crumpets. That would be a hoot!

  • Pay docking fee's? You know I've always sort of wondered why that's not in the game. You dock up, dump all your **** and let it sit for years and years but it doesn't cost you squat. That is pretty unrealistic, actually. You had a flash of brilliance here, savor it!

  • Nothing larger than a cruiser hull? There goes your flash of brilliance into more wah wah for mama's bewbie. Seriously? Do you know who ****** was? Google him, you'd be a fan.

  • From here down was mostly gibberish and incoherent thoughts and I have not the time to tell you just how wrong you are, so I'll simply say...........

    • NO ...... sit boo boo sit, good dog.


    You are gonna feel pretty silly after you read the rest of the thread. Quoted for posterity.

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    Leto Thule
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #102 - 2014-10-07 03:19:37 UTC
    Also, page six.

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    La Nariz
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #103 - 2014-10-08 12:03:02 UTC
    Ripard Teg still sucks.

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    Jonah Gravenstein
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    #104 - 2014-10-08 16:09:13 UTC
    La Nariz wrote:
    Ripard Teg still sucks.
    FTFY

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    Kaarous Aldurald
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    #105 - 2014-10-08 16:13:02 UTC
    Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
    La Nariz wrote:
    Ripard Teg still sucks.
    FTFY


    I will never tire of that.

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    #106 - 2014-10-08 16:49:14 UTC
    satirical perception should be considered a core skill, i would argue its more important than some fitting skills.

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    Frostys Virpio
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #107 - 2014-10-08 17:17:16 UTC
    Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


    If that ever actually happens, highsec will get nerfed really hard. You lot should be praying every day that CCP never does rebalance based on risk vs reward, or I'll have a merry old time burning you sorry freaks down for days at a time.



    Since the info was given about the 40% only ever leveling their raven, my guess on all that is CCP think it's too much of a risk in term of subs to hit this 40%. The problem is nobody really know what these guys would do. Getting your income nerfed if you only ever pile more ISK on top of other ISK does not mean much at the end of the day unless you don't see it for what it is. You could make a profit of only 1 ISK a day after all your expense are covered and it would not really be a problem but some people see it another way. They are used to seeing the millions rolling in. How will they react if these numbers change is unknown but for CCP, they are ~15$ a month. Those $$$ pays not only for EVE but also every other running project @CCP.

    Always remember that what you see as bad for the game is the only side you really have on the discussion as you are only a customer. CCP on the other side has to deal with the damage to the game while weighting it against the damage to their finances. This is what IMO kept the current scale off balance for so long and I personally don't see it going away any time soon unless CCP turn those numbers around by getting much more people to do something else than level their raven.
    Kaarous Aldurald
    Black Hydra Consortium.
    #108 - 2014-10-08 17:57:07 UTC
    Frostys Virpio wrote:

    Always remember that what you see as bad for the game is the only side you really have on the discussion as you are only a customer. CCP on the other side has to deal with the damage to the game while weighting it against the damage to their finances. This is what IMO kept the current scale off balance for so long and I personally don't see it going away any time soon unless CCP turn those numbers around by getting much more people to do something else than level their raven.


    At some point, the health of the game is going to come to the fore. They won't be able to put off necessary changes just because it would upset some people's endless farming of red crosses.

    When that time comes, highsec will be in flames shortly afterward.

    "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

    One of ours, ten of theirs.

    Best Meltdown Ever.
    La Nariz
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #109 - 2014-10-08 18:20:33 UTC
    Frostys Virpio wrote:
    Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


    If that ever actually happens, highsec will get nerfed really hard. You lot should be praying every day that CCP never does rebalance based on risk vs reward, or I'll have a merry old time burning you sorry freaks down for days at a time.



    Since the info was given about the 40% only ever leveling their raven, my guess on all that is CCP think it's too much of a risk in term of subs to hit this 40%. The problem is nobody really know what these guys would do. Getting your income nerfed if you only ever pile more ISK on top of other ISK does not mean much at the end of the day unless you don't see it for what it is. You could make a profit of only 1 ISK a day after all your expense are covered and it would not really be a problem but some people see it another way. They are used to seeing the millions rolling in. How will they react if these numbers change is unknown but for CCP, they are ~15$ a month. Those $$$ pays not only for EVE but also every other running project @CCP.

    Always remember that what you see as bad for the game is the only side you really have on the discussion as you are only a customer. CCP on the other side has to deal with the damage to the game while weighting it against the damage to their finances. This is what IMO kept the current scale off balance for so long and I personally don't see it going away any time soon unless CCP turn those numbers around by getting much more people to do something else than level their raven.


    Nerfing highesc makes financial sense for a lot of reasons.

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    Arcano Dentist
    Wiyrkomi Heavy Industries
    Caldari Alliance
    #110 - 2014-10-08 18:59:28 UTC
    Leto Thule wrote:
    Its only fair that both sides have their own thread.

    Viola!

    To start out:


    • Buff rats in belts. Give them web/scram/smartbombs. The longer someone sits in a belt, the stronger class of rat spawns in.
    • NPC corps of opposing factions are at war by default, mirroring FW.
    • Remove local. If you want to see local, youll need to be in a corp, and the corp will pay a tax to connect to the local intel.
    • Once wardecced, you do not have the ablity to leave corp at all. The button is grayed out. The only way out is to surrender or win. If the defender (and allies) beats the aggressor after 1 week (isk war), the aggressor is unable to declare war for two weeks after that.
    • Move ALL level 4 missions to lowsec, and increase the payouts.
    • Remove highsec incursions, or dramatically decrease the payouts. There is no risk for the current meta.
    • Ships in NPC corps must pay docking fees each time they dock up.
    • NPC players cant undock in anything larger than a cruiser hull.
    • If you are operating in a lower-sec part of highsec, you get pirate FACPO-style response if you have a super-positive sec status.
    • Killing a -5 or below in highsec adds "tags" to their wreck, purchasable by NPC's at CONCORD stations (similar to WH loot). Does not spawn if CONCORD is on the KM. The more badass the pirate, the more ISK his tags are worth.
    • Miners whom deplete a belt are fined, and assessed a sec status hit.


    Edit: Allow players to JOIN FACPO corps. FACPO-players would be able to engage the same level of sec status player that would have spawned the NPC version. (-2 in 1.0, ect)


    Most of this sounds good, except the rats getting stronger. Passive tank drone boat would be able to afk 24 hours with a mobile tractor. Nah.
    Lvl 4's in low, good idea.
    Limiting what ships people can use in NPC corp is not what the sandbox is about. That will never fly.
    Getting rid of local would be very interesting.
    Frostys Virpio
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #111 - 2014-10-08 19:06:09 UTC
    La Nariz wrote:
    Frostys Virpio wrote:
    Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


    If that ever actually happens, highsec will get nerfed really hard. You lot should be praying every day that CCP never does rebalance based on risk vs reward, or I'll have a merry old time burning you sorry freaks down for days at a time.



    Since the info was given about the 40% only ever leveling their raven, my guess on all that is CCP think it's too much of a risk in term of subs to hit this 40%. The problem is nobody really know what these guys would do. Getting your income nerfed if you only ever pile more ISK on top of other ISK does not mean much at the end of the day unless you don't see it for what it is. You could make a profit of only 1 ISK a day after all your expense are covered and it would not really be a problem but some people see it another way. They are used to seeing the millions rolling in. How will they react if these numbers change is unknown but for CCP, they are ~15$ a month. Those $$$ pays not only for EVE but also every other running project @CCP.

    Always remember that what you see as bad for the game is the only side you really have on the discussion as you are only a customer. CCP on the other side has to deal with the damage to the game while weighting it against the damage to their finances. This is what IMO kept the current scale off balance for so long and I personally don't see it going away any time soon unless CCP turn those numbers around by getting much more people to do something else than level their raven.


    Nerfing highesc makes financial sense for a lot of reasons.


    How many extra subs would it generate? You have data about it right?
    admiral root
    Red Galaxy
    #112 - 2014-10-08 20:41:35 UTC
    Frostys Virpio wrote:
    How many extra subs would it generate? You have data about it right?


    We have about as much data as the whinebears have. Also, you might want to read the thread before posting.

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    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #113 - 2014-10-08 21:42:40 UTC
    Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
    satirical perception should be considered a core skill, i would argue its more important than some fitting skills.


    Needs to be trained right alongside "sense of humor", "keeping things in perspective", "ok that was cool, how did you do that", and "am I too drunk? Nah"
    Ralph King-Griffin
    New Eden Tech Support
    #114 - 2014-10-08 22:45:36 UTC
    Ned Thomas wrote:
    Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
    satirical perception should be considered a core skill, i would argue its more important than some fitting skills.


    Needs to be trained right alongside "sense of humor", "keeping things in perspective", "ok that was cool, how did you do that", and "am I too drunk? Nah"

    And thermodynamics.

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    La Nariz
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #115 - 2014-10-09 01:27:38 UTC
    Frostys Virpio wrote:
    La Nariz wrote:
    Frostys Virpio wrote:
    Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


    If that ever actually happens, highsec will get nerfed really hard. You lot should be praying every day that CCP never does rebalance based on risk vs reward, or I'll have a merry old time burning you sorry freaks down for days at a time.



    Since the info was given about the 40% only ever leveling their raven, my guess on all that is CCP think it's too much of a risk in term of subs to hit this 40%. The problem is nobody really know what these guys would do. Getting your income nerfed if you only ever pile more ISK on top of other ISK does not mean much at the end of the day unless you don't see it for what it is. You could make a profit of only 1 ISK a day after all your expense are covered and it would not really be a problem but some people see it another way. They are used to seeing the millions rolling in. How will they react if these numbers change is unknown but for CCP, they are ~15$ a month. Those $$$ pays not only for EVE but also every other running project @CCP.

    Always remember that what you see as bad for the game is the only side you really have on the discussion as you are only a customer. CCP on the other side has to deal with the damage to the game while weighting it against the damage to their finances. This is what IMO kept the current scale off balance for so long and I personally don't see it going away any time soon unless CCP turn those numbers around by getting much more people to do something else than level their raven.


    Nerfing highesc makes financial sense for a lot of reasons.


    How many extra subs would it generate? You have data about it right?


    I have scientific proof, it even got published however you'll have to subscribe to the journal before you can read it.

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    Leto Thule
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #116 - 2014-10-09 02:48:44 UTC
    I seriously cannot understand how this is still going even after countless posts have identified it as a megatroll. I guess the carebears get so wound up after reading the OP that the need to sperg outweighs the need to read before posting.

    I love you guys.

    Lucas Kell 4CSM.

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    Kaarous Aldurald
    Black Hydra Consortium.
    #117 - 2014-10-09 11:49:31 UTC
    Leto Thule wrote:
    I seriously cannot understand how this is still going even after countless posts have identified it as a megatroll. I guess the carebears get so wound up after reading the OP that the need to sperg outweighs the need to read before posting.

    I love you guys.

    Lucas Kell 4CSM.


    ... you think carebears can read?

    "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

    One of ours, ten of theirs.

    Best Meltdown Ever.
    La Nariz
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #118 - 2014-10-09 19:22:27 UTC
    Leto Thule wrote:
    I seriously cannot understand how this is still going even after countless posts have identified it as a megatroll. I guess the carebears get so wound up after reading the OP that the need to sperg outweighs the need to read before posting.

    I love you guys.

    Lucas Kell 4CSM.


    You're welcome. Try posting a nerf highesc thread in GD for real hilarity.

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    La Nariz
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #119 - 2014-10-12 01:57:42 UTC
    This is the more legitimate thread about the topic at hand.

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    Gallente Federation
    #120 - 2014-10-12 13:23:17 UTC
    La Nariz wrote:
    This is the more legitimate thread about the topic at hand.

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