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You are 100% correct. Those heavily against the change are really just after some loophole to exploit heavily to keep things the way they are. CCP needs to stand firm against these players and go forward with these changes making sure there is no such loopholes.

All the fear mongering and banging of pots and pans by these cowards needs to simply be dismissed.

I doubt any more debate or ideas in this forum is going to change his mind, he hasnt post since page 200, so my guess is WELP thanks for all the fish enjoy the changes suckers!!!

I think with the jump changes you should make titans and super carriers a dime a dozen, since they are really garbage now.
I mean look at the titan, can only kill capitals once every 10 minutes. Is most commonly used as a fleet taxi, and now is probably going to be the most de-subbed account, as its combat ability is useless, and to field something that costs 50X more then a dread to bash a carrier or dread is stupid.... I laugh as I see the doomsday blap 1 dread and then the pilot is stuck, a 120 billion is ship just killed sometime worth 2 billion wow now that's super cool.. What else can the titan do now? with the range change you should make it a week to build and use enough minerals as a carrier to build so we can welp joy jump them.

Vet or new pilot, no one wants to wait hours to do sometime in a game,. Most people I fly with have a family and can barely make a 2 hour fleet op before they have to spend time with the wife, so I guess those people wont log in any more ether... Thanks CCP well thought out plan! It would be the same as if your development computer typed 1 letter of programming every minute, how long would you stay at your desk before you got frustrated and quit??

SO CCP greyscale are these changes confirmed and set in stone? if so when?

I look forward to the changes, since heck it will save me about $90USD a month, Congrats CCP you won

-BC

They spend their time griefing new players in high sec because they can easily get there in a couple minutes and if anyone so much as breaks wind in their territory - they hop on the cyno train right back to it to curb stomp them out of existence with sheer numbers and firepower from all corners of the galaxy.

The new content will come with this change.

Those super capital pilots wouldn't be so bored if there was new content to distract them.

Plot a cyno route from Deklein to Fountain and then tell me it's "low". Should be 300 hours or so. If you were working in short distances, well, yes, that's the point - give people working in their home space some choices to make, without saying "you get one or two then you're done for the day." It's a quality of life issue, basically.

Meinn Gott this thread is going to hit 400 pages before the weekend at this rate.
Anyone have Skills to Jury Rig a Capital T2 Cargohold Optimization to the tear tank here? Its bulging at the sides

I think fatigue alone without jump range nerf would accomplish this.

Drop a supercarrier 15 ly away:

(1+15LY)*(1+15LY) = 42 hours of fatigue.. so strategically someone could take notice of this event and attack elsewhere.

Recovery from one 15ly jump is 2.6 hrs, so that's already constraining enough because you have to keep multiple people together for that long to guard the hotdrop and who knows who else will gather to counter in the meantime.

I don't really understand why they had to slam jump drives with both fatigue and jump range nerfs.

They should at least roll out the changes incrementally, seems pretty reckless how they are proposing to go about it right now.

No, they tried to podjump there but they just died and never came back.

Obviously not using a freighter or jump freighter....

Obviously not using a freighter or jump freighter....[/quote]

Sorry left the charon and the rhea in my other pants it seems

Thank you for listening Mike and for being "the forum guy", to answer your questions.

1. Absolutely, it's why I quit null and ultimately the game.
2. The ability for an alliance to put a massive fleet of the biggest ships in the game into a fight on the other side of the map to their claimed territory or to fight multiple battles on opposite sides of their claimed territory using the same ships in both cases in very little time is a ruddy great contributor yes.

3. It is a good start, but much remains to be done
4. Take your pick of:
- Change Sov taking and holding to a system based on occupation and activity instead of fixed mobile structures and timers.
- Change all currently passive resource generation to the point where it is active and both disruptable and destructible, moon goo especially.
- Change low and null mineral balance to allow sufficient low ends to be harvested to support local production and remove the opportunity cost of mining said low ends.
- Reduce the costs of both construction and upgrading outposts and allow deployment of multiple outposts in single systems, potentially allow destruction (but only with major time and resource commitment)

5. A little leniency on two aspects:
A permanent reduction in the impact on blackops, it is their role after all and let's be fair serious territory grabs with blackops? really?
A temporary reduction in the impact on logistics (ie. JFs and Rorqs) at least until Null industrial capability has been brought up to scratch, once that capability is established then apply the changes in full.

For the doom mongers, we used to play this game with no sov, no POS, no caps, no jump drives or bridges, no warp to 0, no outposts and conquerable stations had 1m HP with no timers. We survived just fine, and had a lot of fun in the process. personally it's the hope of regaining that which has brought me and 2 of my accounts back, and I hope very much that CCP will deliver on what is being promised.