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Looking for advice on play style

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Zen Qanmo
#1 - 2014-10-08 11:30:05 UTC
I have a payed account for a long period but because of lack of free time, etc, I didn't play a lot so I'm still a newbie and don't know enough about game possibilites. Also there are a lot of changes in EVE and something that was profitable several months ago today can be a waste of time. When I want to return to EVE for a day or two I just don't know how to play with my new learned skills.

Can you give me some advice on what can I try to do with my character that doesn't take much time and which ships/fits I could use for that?

I was thinking of finding another corp (the current is based in Gallente but I stay in Jita now) but most of them require microphone-speaking members (though I have a microphone I wouldn't like to use it because I know how much time it can take then).

Look at my skills please and say what you think.

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Zen_Qanmo

Sorry for crossposting, please remove my previous thread in the General Discussion.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#2 - 2014-10-08 11:46:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
I could try and sum up all the things you can do or could do within a short period of time but lets just name the things you can't do, because that's a shorter list.

Ships you won't fly any time soon:
- capitals
- super capitals
- marauders
- black ops
- Command ships

Luckily those ship types are a bit of a "pff, who cares" kind of deal (with the possible exception of the Marauder). Or to put it more directly; you can do pretty much anything you want (within reasonable SP) from mining/trading, mission running or exploration to piracy, general PVP, factional warfare and whatnot. Solo, small group or large alliance stuff. And if you can't do it now you certainly can do it within 2-3 months tops.

The only real variables in this are the amount of effort and braincells you choose to put in, how serious you want to be and how many people you want to play with. You can play super serious solo or lol-laidback in big alliances, and vice versa and/or anything in between. Your skill points don't dictate what you will be doing, only your personal preference does.
S'Way
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-10-08 12:01:00 UTC
Exploration data / relic sites might be what you're looking for. It only takes a frigate and basic astrometrics skills which you already have to start and practise scanning.
I'd suggest getting your astrometrics skills to at least 4 (shouldn't take long), then training for a cov-ops frigate of your choice (you're already able to fit the cloak).

The best part of exploration (ok it's not the highest income in EvE but can be decent) is you can just go to a safespot, cloak and log off at any time wherever you are. Even if you end up in deep 0.0 there's always a wormhole chain somewhere nearby to get back to empire and drop off your cargo before setting off again.
Would advise caution if you do data / relic sites in wormholes as those sites had rats in them the last time I ran any.

There's a few good guides around that can explain things much better, like the wiki , or if you ask in missions & complexes forum there's usually people that can help with any questions about exploration mechanics and ship fits.
Solecist Project
#4 - 2014-10-08 12:30:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
What you can and should do is the tutorial missions.
I am mentioning this just in case.

If you want to have casual fun in an easy way,
while interacting with others then I would suggest annoying mission runners.


You can probe down missions using a combat probe launcher and start salvaging their wrecks.

To increase the interest of this, stealing loot in cheap ships can be fun too,
as people might actually start shooting at you for it.

Assuming you'll find people who teach you the basics of survival ...
... you could even try tearing them apart for it.

Or shoot their MTUs! :D


All else... if you're into casual combat, you can always join RvB.

There are way more opportunities to mention, tbh. Simply roaming through space
can offer you ways of having fun too. Grabbing opportunities as they come helps here.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#5 - 2014-10-08 12:36:50 UTC
Zen Qanmo wrote:

Look at my skills please and say what you think.


I'll be honest with you. 185 skills injected at 10M SP is a freakin' disaster. You need to make some decisions.

The primary decision you need to make is combat or industry? Meaning do you think you'd have more fun doing things like ganking, missions, and war or would you feel more comfortable mining, building stuff and trading.

As far skills to be trained, these are mutually exclusive with very little overlap. Best to focus on one or the other.

Combat tends to be more hands on and exciting with lower income, whereas industry tends to be more deliberate and long term with potentially lucrative ISK gain. Only you can decide which play style you like better. We can't do that for you.

So give it some serious thought and then come on back here with more specific questions once you have a general idea where you see yourself in the future.

Mr Epeen Cool
Solecist Project
#6 - 2014-10-08 12:46:34 UTC
Why concentrate on one thing?

I never saw a necessity in this and you know me,
so what's the reason to play in an alt-centric manner?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Chinwe Rhei
Syn Interstellar
#7 - 2014-10-08 12:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Chinwe Rhei
You are very spread out between the races but your Caldari-oriented skills are a bit better so i suggest you focus on that a bit for now.

You have Covert Ops skill and some scanning skills, but you can't use a cover ops frigate yet because you don't have any frigate skills to V.
I suggest you train Caldari Frigates to V for a good scanning and cloaking ship if exploring sounds interesting to you.

You have some drone skills but only Drones IV. I strongly suggest getting Drones V soon as that gives you one extra drone, and opens up Drone Interfacing and Drone specialization for T2 drones.

For combat, your Gunnery skills are pretty weak but your missile skills are decent, especially you have Heavy Missile Spcialization V, for Tech 2 heavy missiles.
So i suggest for now to use a Drake for isk making or PvP if you join a corp, train Battlecruisers to IV for starters. I see you started on your way to a Tengu, so you may continue training skills for that, but that's some months away still.

Your shield tanking is however a bit weak at the moment, so if you want to seriously consider caldari combat invest more into Shield skills so you can fit a full Tech 2 tank. That means for starters Shield Upgrades at least IV, Shield Management at least IV, everything else at least 3, etc..
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#8 - 2014-10-08 12:59:50 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Why concentrate on one thing?

I never saw a necessity in this and you know me,
so what's the reason to play in an alt-centric manner?


Oh, I know you, for sure. You're a crazy lady and an outlier. But a damn cute one. Mainly, though you are a veteran player that knows how to squeeze maximum fun from minimum SP invested. You can afford to be all over the map with skills.

As a new player, though, it's all about time management. There's just not enough time to make a jack of all trades these days. It's not that I think its a bad thing. I just find it makes more sense logistically to have some basic focus.

Mr Epeen Cool
Solecist Project
#9 - 2014-10-08 13:05:08 UTC
Thanks. :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Toshiro Hasegawa
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2014-10-08 13:07:54 UTC
There is no way to tell you what you should do ... its up to you the player and what you find fun.

You can do anything you want in game pretty much .. but you might not be able to do any of it well due to character limitations and more like player knowledge limitations .. and the only way to fix the latter is to start doing stuff.

Doing stuff near Jita other than trading can be hard as there is so much competition .. things like mining or exploration .

You can always do missions .. pretty much anywhere .. just have to grind you way up.

If you want to do relaxed pvp then RvB is near Jita

Joining a corp is always good .. if you found a good corp .. then i think their worth is greater than proximity to jita.. they are likely only 10 jumps from Jita and even closer to one of the other trade hubs.

Why do you need to stay near Jita ?



lets start again.

Do you want to PvP or not PvP ..( in as much as one can not PvP in EvE)?

If you want to PvP do you want to to fight in Null wars, low sec pirating, low sec Faction Warfare, High sec War decing and or ganking, or casual pvp?

If you do not want PvP do you want to do Industry, Missions or Exploration?

If you want to do Industry- you can mine, do PI, research, manufacturing or hauling. Find a high sec industrial corp.
If you want to do missions .. then get on the SOE epic missions and go from there.
If you want want to do exploration - get reading there is alot to know. And doing it around Jita will be hard. too much competition.



What sort of limited time are we talking about 10 minutes once per week or 1 hr once per day .. or 2hr at a time 2 times per week. Knowing that would also help as some activities take longer the than others to spool up and do.

History is the study of change.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-10-08 13:43:52 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Zen Qanmo wrote:
I have a payed account for a long period but because of lack of free time, etc, I didn't play a lot so I'm still a newbie and don't know enough about game possibilites. Also there are a lot of changes in EVE and something that was profitable several months ago today can be a waste of time. When I want to return to EVE for a day or two I just don't know how to play with my new learned skills.

Can you give me some advice on what can I try to do with my character that doesn't take much time and which ships/fits I could use for that?.


Sure. What do you like? ..................... > Do that.

To assist you, look here. It's a list of some possibilities (keep in mind, it is a sandbox, if it ain't on the chart, you can still do it).


No offense to the OP, but the first 2 things that comes to mind when ever someone asks: "What should I do" / "What can I do":

A. Person came to EVE not knowing that it's a sandbox and that there is no handholding.
B. Person has NO imagination / creativity at all if you can NOT think of something to do at all in a sandbox.

Instead of asking around and getting and near endless list of possibilities, as there are endless posibilities of things you can TRY, why not just use your imagination and just go out and try stuff. Sure, you will run into limitations or things you fail at, what's the problem with that. Without failures, you can't have succes.



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I was thinking of finding another corp (the current is based in Gallente but I stay in Jita now) but most of them require microphone-speaking members (though I have a microphone I wouldn't like to use it because I know how much time it can take then).


Why would you want to stay in Jita?

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Zen Qanmo
#12 - 2014-10-08 19:31:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Zen Qanmo
Thanks for responses.

I want to stay in Jita because
1. I trade implants and have a profit on margins. Considering that I only update my lots once per week I have some passive ISK income even when I don't have a time to play.
2. I was running COSMOS missions for Caldari so I have good standings with them and bad with Gallente. In Caldari space I have access to higher level mission agents.

I have clones but still there is no sense to do level 1-2 missions for another faction while I can do level 3 for Caldari..

I'll try to be more definitive.
What I DON'T want to do: production, mining, scumming and things that require too much time or involve frequent checks during the day (e.g. 0.01isking game).

I would like to do data and relic sites but they seem to become not profitable anymore. Today I was doing exploration in nullsec with Astero for 3 hours and all I got is 30mil with my level 4 hacking and archeology skills.

I wonna try PvP but I understand that without corp support I'll just spend all my ISK on buying ships. It's not a problem for me to buy Drake or two but how many will I have to buy them for PvP?

I tried to do DEDs in lowsec on Drake and was quickly killed by other players. It's hardly possible to do them solo.

Mission running firstly seemed to be attractive but when I started level 3 pve missions (after arcs and some of cosmos missions) I quickly realized that all those missions are made from the same scenario. Too boring and not profitable.

I would like to try planetary. But again I can't do it without corp that owns customs. Or I could go to nullsec but then how will I carry my stuff from a planet to trade hub?

There a lot of things to do in eve but when they require flying uncloaked out of highsec for solo it's 100% suicide.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-10-08 20:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Zen Qanmo wrote:
I'll try to be more definitive.
What I DON'T want to do: production, mining, scumming and things that require too much time or involve frequent checks during the day (e.g. 0.01isking game).

I would like to do data and relic sites but they seem to become not profitable anymore. Today I was doing exploration in nullsec with Astero for 3 hours and all I got is 30mil with my level 4 hacking and archeology skills.

I wonna try PvP but I understand that without corp support I'll just spend all my ISK on buying ships. It's not a problem for me to buy Drake or two but how many will I have to buy them for PvP?

I tried to do DEDs in lowsec on Drake and was quickly killed by other players. It's hardly possible to do them solo.

Mission running firstly seemed to be attractive but when I started level 3 pve missions (after arcs and some of cosmos missions) I quickly realized that all those missiod.


* The big issue I see here, most corps (as in corps that actually work together as a group and aren't just a bunch of solo-players with a shared chat channel) do "more time involved things" - Be it from incursions, group missions or PvP.

* Exploration is a hit / miss thing. It also matters what you are chasing after.

* 2 things:

A. You don't need a corp to PvP, ever heard of public roams...they are for the public.
B. You don't start in a drake, first of all, because it's a drake, secondly because you should do baby-steps. If you want to learn to PvP, start small and work your way up the ship classes.

* That's because you made yourself a target. A BC is an easy target because it's easier to probe (bigger sig radius) and most of all slower then smaller stuff.

* So besides the list in 1st point, you also exclude missoins. This leaves pretty much nothing left but PvP / Ratting (which is as boring as missions as it's scripted and thus predictable).

* You don't need to be in a corp to do PI. There are PLENTY of high-sec custom offices with low tax...the issue is, none of them are near shithole central (aka Jita). What do you expect, the main trade hub with most people in there and the PoCo owners not taking their share....hahaha. Low-sec has better planets and same type of taxes on PoCo. Null even better planet but to even more risk.

How to get them to the trade hub, simple....FLY them there, pick a blockade runner, load it up and fly it to trade hub. But from the looks of things, you don't like to do the active parts of EVE and just want to trade.

* I've flown in null-sec...uncloaked...on my own, and perfectly survived.

It's more what you KNOW as a player (so how to use D-scan, how to use the map and bookmarks to stay safe) then that cloak and having friends (heads up, unless on an ops, most of the time in a corp, you are flying solo too).




TL:DR -

You want to do stuff other then you are doing now, but with your requirements you kind of exclude anything other then what you are doing now as a possibility.




EDIT:



Get out of Jita.

Hell, in ANY system inside The Forge I can change any market order, including those in Jita. A simple little bit of time invested on trade skills will do the trick.

Also, if you really want, you just train a trade alt...fleet up with main and run missions to let alt leech of the standings.

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-10-08 22:35:15 UTC
Zen Qanmo wrote:
I wonna try PvP but I understand that without corp support I'll just spend all my ISK on buying ships. It's not a problem for me to buy Drake or two but how many will I have to buy them for PvP?

As mentioned above, there's no need to use a battlecruiser for your first steps in PvP. You can buy about 10 reasonably fit frigates for the same price (you're probably going to lose them all either way, so it's 10x the number of lessons learned).

On top of that, the Drake isn't a stellar PvP ship. Medium sized missiles have poor application to small targets. It's not particularly fast, even though it's shield tanked. It's basically locked into kinetic damage because of it's level bonus. It's best trait is its hefty passive tank, which gives it some application as a bait ship in PvP, but really makes it shine as a PVE ship - because it can tank medium levels of sustained dps for a long time.

I would recommend you join a corp if you are at all interested in combat. As J'Poll said, there are some options for out-of-corp group-PvP. However, you will learn much faster with corp-mates to guide you along. Public roams are fun, but the people on them are not invested in making you a better pilot. Having (good) corp-mates means someone will explain to you WHY a Drake is not the ideal PvP ship, rather than saying "LOL. You brought a Drake? gf"

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I tried to do DEDs in lowsec on Drake and was quickly killed by other players. It's hardly possible to do them solo.

This is mostly a matter of location and diligence. Some areas of low-sec have 50-100 players passing through every half hour, while other systems may see one or two. Actually living in low-sec makes it much easier to identify threats. You get used to the locals and nearby neighbors, and you can usually predict who wants to kill you and who is just passing through. Again, being part of a corp makes a big difference here as you can share intel to identify threats before they come to pass (or maybe even group up and take care of them the old-fashioned way Big smile).

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Verdis deMosays
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-10-09 01:51:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Verdis deMosays
Glad to hear you're wanting to play again, its a wonderful game and you have more options now than ever!

From what I see, you do like exploration, and the good news is that there is some money in combat anoms still. The bad news is its more hit and miss than other sources of income. I've had days where I ran one site and made 120mil off the overseer in 20 minutes, and other days where 4 hours only netted me 40 mil in meh modules.

My advice is to train up your drones, sentry drones, gallente cruiser, and moderate medium laser skills, then jump into a stratios. It will handle any combat site in highsec, explore as fast as a covops, and can do all the data and relics you come across.

My fit is:
3x meta beam lasers
Covops cloak (or 4th laser for the less paranoid)
Sisters core probe launcher (bling!)

Meta Afterburner
3x cap recharger IIs
Omnidirectional tracking link

2x drone damage amp IIs
Medium armor repairer II
2x resistance platings for the rats I'll fight. Hardeners are just as good, but I like my cap.

2x armor rep amount rigs
1x nano accelerator rig

Fed navy garde's x4
Warrior IIs x5
Whatever else you like. I throw heavies, ecms and mediums in there with a few armor repair bots for drone maintenance.

600dps with navy crystals and sentries, and will tank any high sec combat site with careful flying. Cap stable with guns off, 8 minutes with multi frequency.

And before you get that out, take a look at my guide to scavenging eve. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5090927#post5090927 it will show you how to profit while you get used to scanning again.

Might not be the best money, but it beats Jita.

*helpful explorer signing off*
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-10-09 08:08:00 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:


I would recommend you join a corp if you are at all interested in combat. As J'Poll said, there are some options for out-of-corp group-PvP. However, you will learn much faster with corp-mates to guide you along. Public roams are fun, but the people on them are not invested in making you a better pilot. Having (good) corp-mates means someone will explain to you WHY a Drake is not the ideal PvP ship, rather than saying "LOL. You brought a Drake? gf"



That depends on which public roam you join.

Redemption Road's roams have some "teaching" regulars that don't mind to help you out before, during, after a roam.

Not to mention that RR just started their "Newbro Roams" which are specifically made for...Newbro's.

Basically it's a roam for new players, where they first do some roaming through high-sec (to get used to commands) and then gradually go to low-sec and null-sec.

Ships are supplied for free for the Newbro roams, so a new player (other then the likely clone update after podding) doesn't even have to spent ISK for it.

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