Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Don't take CEO announcements at face value. There was alot more going on there than just moon goo and the riches it brings.

I still prefer my own silly idea:

Make moons produce P0 materials and have harvesters beam them directly to the POS where they can be refined to P1s and moon materials with varying efficiency (depending on the moon material rarity).

That way moon material monopolies are broken as anyone could export P0s from PI and move them to a POS for moon material refining. Of course export will need more work and cost taxes, on top of POS upkeep, compared to direct moon mining.

What you also failed to realize is the large amount to smaller groups that'll happily take advantage of the situation and try to grab a piece of land for themselves.

All the more reason to change moon mining based on the PI philosophy and allow it everywhere.
No more wars over the seeded areas by large coalitions. Perhaps then there would be no more huge financial incentive to monopolize areas and we may see a break down of large coalitions /alliances and an increase in smaller corps and groups living in smaller areas of space. This would lead to more small gang and solo pvp.; not to mention a more balanced game.

Hmmm sounds like we just solved the problem plaguing EVE.

Don't take CEO announcements at face value. There was alot more going on there than just moon goo and the riches it brings.

As for the rest you aren't thinking things clearly. Suppose I hold say, 10 systems and have 200 moons. Lets say the chances of getting a money moon is 1% with your new system. Now lets say I currently have 2 money moons and then they re-shuffle. A priori I'd expect to have 2 money moons. The chances of not getting any money moons is 0.13398. So yeah, kinda bad looking. Now, lets consider a coalition that has lets say 620 systems with say...9,300 moons. Now what is the chance of getting no money moons? 2.55452E-41. To understand how small that number is, write to a zero, then a decimal point, then 41 more zeroes....

With that many moons hte law of large numbers will kick in. That means my expectation of 930 money moons is probably going to be spot on.

Given this the large coalitions will be able to rest comfortably knowing they'll still have money moons in their vast swaths of space. Yes, having people run around scanning will become a new job, but so what when you have a big coalition you'll be able to find the people. And in terms of how things work, nothing is saying the current models that alliances and coaltions use have to stay that way.

Ask yourself, if this change went into effect how would I, if I were a coalition leader change things up to adapt to the change? Try to shoot down your own idea.

Note: The numbers above are not meant to be exact or something I'd recommend, they are for illustrative purposes.

Maybe grab a moon for themselves, but land? My guess is that they'll still get curb stomped by the large coalitions.

I really think the solution here is to stop beating the player base with the damn stick and instead focus on the carrot.

Does an alliance of 1,000 guys need an entire region? [1] Right now yes. Why not make it so that that same alliance can live in a constellation or 2? Provide an incentive to shrink vs. holding an entire region to get access to the few good systems in that region. Something where the more a group of players use their systems/constellations the better they get. Beating us over the head with the stick and ignoring the carrot just pisses us off and so far we've shown to be rather clever at screwing up whatever goal the Dev's have in mind.

[1] I'll note that not all regions are created the same, some regions can support larger number of pilots than other regions mainly because that region has more systems and even more quality systems (relative to total systems) than others.

I see you as a puppet w/ that Baltec guys hand up your patoot. There is a ton of easy isk out in null. I only see one group that is active in null. The rest is just full of un-used anoms. You don't need more and you don't need different. You need stuff for folks to fight over. You want to be able to more densly pack your subjects? Gee that sounds about as fun as null is now. This thread is about bringing back pvp to null. And you come in here? Please go start a "Let's turn eve into farmville" thread and you elites can discuss 'pubbie packing' there to any depth you want. This thread is about creating conflict and PVP - carrots and player density discussions are not welcome here. Shoooo.... just go away!