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Dev Blog: Long-Distance Travel Changes Inbound

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DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#7461 - 2014-10-07 14:45:05 UTC  |  Edited by: DNSBLACK
Andy Landen wrote:
Two questions: How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive traveling through gates in null sec?

AND

How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive jumping through systems without blue stations or pos?

JDC was supposed to protect my carrier by increasing the number of options for systems to jump to so that I can land at a friendly station. Now it means nothing with a limit of 5 ly.

JDO was supposed to protect my carrier by decreasing the amount of time I had to wait for my capacitor to be ready for the next jump so that my exposure time in space was limited.

What is the purpose of my ultra-long level 5 JDC and JDO training for carrier protection after these changes? With such exposures, how is this not the greatest capital nerf in the history of Eve?

Give capitals the ability to use the covert ops cloak, the ability to deploy a pos without any delay on the shield going up, fast align times, bubble immunity and +2-10 to warp core stability, and other things to make it not completely exposed and vulnerable out there in space traveling without either jump distance or jump ability.


The fitting window
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#7462 - 2014-10-07 14:57:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Azami Nevinyrall
Andy Landen wrote:
Two questions: How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive traveling through gates in null sec?

AND

How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive jumping through systems without blue stations or pos?

JDC was supposed to protect my carrier by increasing the number of options for systems to jump to so that I can land at a friendly station. Now it means nothing with a limit of 5 ly.

JDO was supposed to protect my carrier by decreasing the amount of time I had to wait for my capacitor to be ready for the next jump so that my exposure time in space was limited.

What is the purpose of my ultra-long level 5 JDC and JDO training for carrier protection after these changes? With such exposures, how is this not the greatest capital nerf in the history of Eve?

Give capitals the ability to use the covert ops cloak, the ability to deploy a pos without any delay on the shield going up, fast align times, bubble immunity and +2-10 to warp core stability, and other things to make it not completely exposed and vulnerable out there in space traveling without either jump distance or jump ability.

**** it, while we're on "special" mode...

Give Capitals the ability to spawn Wormholes!
Give Capitals the ability to mine and reprocess ICE for fuel!
Give Capitals the ability to refit itself!
Give Capitals the ability to Manufacture anything!

While we're at it, give Capitals the ability to teleport stuff to and from Jita!

...
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#7463 - 2014-10-07 15:00:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Toriessian
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

While we're at it, give Capitals the ability to teleport stuff to and from Jita!


In era of Jump Beacons in Jita... I'd want to join Marmite :)

Every day I'm wafflin!
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#7464 - 2014-10-07 15:01:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Andy Landen wrote:

1. How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive jumping through systems without blue stations or pos?How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive traveling through gates in null sec?

2. JDC was supposed to protect my carrier by increasing the number of options for systems to jump to so that I can land at a friendly station. Now it means nothing with a limit of 5 ly.

3. JDO was supposed to protect my carrier by decreasing the amount of time I had to wait for my capacitor to be ready for the next jump so that my exposure time in space was limited.

4. What is the purpose of my ultra-long level 5 JDC and JDO training for carrier protection after these changes?


1. Bring friends. Plan Ahead. Scout. Use a different route. No more easy mode.

2-3. No, YOU are supposed to protect your carrier using your skills, experience, and friends if necessary.

4. CCP has yet to identify any changes to these, so I would assume they will do what they do now. Oddly enough these skills are classified under Navigation and not Armor or Shields or similar, and don't list "defense" or "protection" in their descriptions.


You sound entitled.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Yuri Thorpe
Volatile Restability
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#7465 - 2014-10-07 15:06:24 UTC
Any updates on blops? :<
Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#7466 - 2014-10-07 15:11:18 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Andy Landen wrote:

1. How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive jumping through systems without blue stations or pos?How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive traveling through gates in null sec?

2. JDC was supposed to protect my carrier by increasing the number of options for systems to jump to so that I can land at a friendly station. Now it means nothing with a limit of 5 ly.

3. JDO was supposed to protect my carrier by decreasing the amount of time I had to wait for my capacitor to be ready for the next jump so that my exposure time in space was limited.

4. What is the purpose of my ultra-long level 5 JDC and JDO training for carrier protection after these changes?


1. Bring friends. Plan Ahead. Scout. Use a different route. No more easy mode.

2-3. No, YOU are supposed to protect your carrier using your skills, experience, and friends if necessary.

4. CCP has yet to identify any changes to these, so I would assume they will do what they do now. Oddly enough these skills are classified under Navigation and not Armor or Shields or similar, and don't list "defense" or "protection" in their descriptions.


You sound entitled.


Yeah he does. Im glad these changes will require players to have carrier escort fleets when traveling. I think its stupid that carriers could travel solo with minimal risk. These changes are a long time coming, and cant get here any sooner.
Yuri Thorpe
Volatile Restability
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#7467 - 2014-10-07 15:11:53 UTC
Also are there ways to jump to Dev responses ._.
Pandora Myuki
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#7468 - 2014-10-07 15:21:59 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
Andy Landen wrote:
Two questions: How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive traveling through gates in null sec?

AND

How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive jumping through systems without blue stations or pos?

JDC was supposed to protect my carrier by increasing the number of options for systems to jump to so that I can land at a friendly station. Now it means nothing with a limit of 5 ly.

JDO was supposed to protect my carrier by decreasing the amount of time I had to wait for my capacitor to be ready for the next jump so that my exposure time in space was limited.

What is the purpose of my ultra-long level 5 JDC and JDO training for carrier protection after these changes? With such exposures, how is this not the greatest capital nerf in the history of Eve?

Give capitals the ability to use the covert ops cloak, the ability to deploy a pos without any delay on the shield going up, fast align times, bubble immunity and +2-10 to warp core stability, and other things to make it not completely exposed and vulnerable out there in space traveling without either jump distance or jump ability.


The fitting window


While you you are asking for the impossible please ask the Devs to give Supers and Titans the ability to dock up to the out side of stations as well, because I'm so sure that ain't gonna happen either.
Yuri Thorpe
Volatile Restability
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#7469 - 2014-10-07 15:29:36 UTC
Pandora Myuki wrote:
DNSBLACK wrote:
Andy Landen wrote:
Two questions: How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive traveling through gates in null sec?

AND

How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive jumping through systems without blue stations or pos?

JDC was supposed to protect my carrier by increasing the number of options for systems to jump to so that I can land at a friendly station. Now it means nothing with a limit of 5 ly.

JDO was supposed to protect my carrier by decreasing the amount of time I had to wait for my capacitor to be ready for the next jump so that my exposure time in space was limited.

What is the purpose of my ultra-long level 5 JDC and JDO training for carrier protection after these changes? With such exposures, how is this not the greatest capital nerf in the history of Eve?

Give capitals the ability to use the covert ops cloak, the ability to deploy a pos without any delay on the shield going up, fast align times, bubble immunity and +2-10 to warp core stability, and other things to make it not completely exposed and vulnerable out there in space traveling without either jump distance or jump ability.


The fitting window


While you you are asking for the impossible please ask the Devs to give Supers and Titans the ability to dock up to the out side of stations as well, because I'm so sure that ain't gonna happen either.

Seeing how they said a titan use to be too large to go through a gate and used the same reason as a station, I dont see why not
Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7470 - 2014-10-07 15:33:01 UTC
With this changes in mind, cant wait to hear what they have in mind for the player build stargates :-)
Be4st
The Abusement Park
#7471 - 2014-10-07 15:38:38 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

**** it, while we're on "special" mode...

Give Capitals the ability to spawn Wormholes!
Give Capitals the ability to mine and reprocess ICE for fuel!
Give Capitals the ability to refit itself!
Give Capitals the ability to Manufacture anything!

While we're at it, give Capitals the ability to teleport stuff to and from Jita!


Not Wormholes. Make it spawn black holes so that when capitals are allowed in highsec (which is a silly idea), I can have some fun sucking up anyone who undocks from Jita.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#7472 - 2014-10-07 15:51:47 UTC
Be4st wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

**** it, while we're on "special" mode...

Give Capitals the ability to spawn Wormholes!
Give Capitals the ability to mine and reprocess ICE for fuel!
Give Capitals the ability to refit itself!
Give Capitals the ability to Manufacture anything!

While we're at it, give Capitals the ability to teleport stuff to and from Jita!


Not Wormholes. Make it spawn black holes so that when capitals are allowed in highsec (which is a silly idea), I can have some fun sucking up anyone who undocks from Jita.


Considering that black holes do absolutely nothing in the EVE universe, why the **** not?!??!

...
Nazri al Mahdi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7473 - 2014-10-07 16:02:33 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Be4st wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

**** it, while we're on "special" mode...

Give Capitals the ability to spawn Wormholes!
Give Capitals the ability to mine and reprocess ICE for fuel!
Give Capitals the ability to refit itself!
Give Capitals the ability to Manufacture anything!

While we're at it, give Capitals the ability to teleport stuff to and from Jita!


Not Wormholes. Make it spawn black holes so that when capitals are allowed in highsec (which is a silly idea), I can have some fun sucking up anyone who undocks from Jita.


Considering that black holes do absolutely nothing in the EVE universe, why the **** not?!??!

Wasn't the Erebus AOE DD a black hole?
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7474 - 2014-10-07 16:02:57 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
Two questions: How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive traveling through gates in null sec?

AND

How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive jumping through systems without blue stations or pos?

JDC was supposed to protect my carrier by increasing the number of options for systems to jump to so that I can land at a friendly station. Now it means nothing with a limit of 5 ly.

JDO was supposed to protect my carrier by decreasing the amount of time I had to wait for my capacitor to be ready for the next jump so that my exposure time in space was limited.

What is the purpose of my ultra-long level 5 JDC and JDO training for carrier protection after these changes? With such exposures, how is this not the greatest capital nerf in the history of Eve?

Give capitals the ability to use the covert ops cloak, the ability to deploy a pos without any delay on the shield going up, fast align times, bubble immunity and +2-10 to warp core stability, and other things to make it not completely exposed and vulnerable out there in space traveling without either jump distance or jump ability.

There is no way you are actually being serious right now. Ugh
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#7475 - 2014-10-07 16:08:15 UTC
I think the idea of caps jumping through star-gates is just lame, especially from a role-playing one. Sure, could be some good fights, but it is lame.

Primary Test Subject • SmackTalker Elite
darksky821
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7476 - 2014-10-07 16:17:13 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Can supers use gates after this change?
Yes.

Does this make it too difficult for new pilots to get out into 0.0?
Yes, it probably does. Following further discussion after publishing this dev blog, we have come up with the following additional feature:

For players less than thirty days old, once per player corporation joined, or
For all players greater than thirty days old, once per year:

You may push a button in your corp interface (while a member of a player corp and docked) that:
• Moves your medical clone to a station designated by your corporation, and
• Then moves you to the (new) station containing your medical clone

Exact method of corporations designating target station still being ironed out, but it will involve at the very least being able to designate a default station for all corp members, and will likely be allowed for *any* station with a corp office, regardless of system sec status. This seems to us like it solves the "I want to recruit people to Nullsec" concern, and also gives non-Nullsec recruiters an easier way to get genuinely new players to the right location easily.


won't this mean that everyone and their mother will have a capital ship in lowsec and 0.0 now? they are going to be the new norm there. This will -force- players who are in pvp to throw capital ships into lowsec in order to defend their fleets properly. I think the change would be nice, but having capitals unable to use jump gates gives a well needed balance for large ships. This will change the whole PVP dynamic within lowsec. Next thing we know we will be seeing carrier gate camps on the edge of Hek. Do you want this CCP?

As I had read before though, building stargates? Wow! that will be really useful in wormhole space. Throw a gate from your main system to a system with a static high sec hole, instant supply line. That will be nice.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#7477 - 2014-10-07 16:23:36 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Rowells wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Summary:

Hot dropping cruisers on the other side of the universe - nerfed

Eve Online, as a game - buffed

my dread - waxed and ready to roam

yeah, no.

Marauders are awesome right now. Marauders are also cheaper, and far more nimble than dreads. If people don't roam in fleets of marauders, they certainly won't roam in fleets of dreads.

Also, out of siege dreads do *maybe* a bit more damage than a faction battleship, and even then not by much. You'll see carrier roams - because they can actually apply their dps with the smaller drones and sentries, and without being stationary for 5 minutes at a time, but dreads? Nah.



Carrier fleets have a huge advantage on the magical get out of jail card that jump drive scan be in certain situations. Specially in low sec where they can jump trough a gate cyno out and no bubble to stop them.

stop crushing my dreams you two
Jobbered
Lost Legion Of Death
Help Newbes Find a Way Alliance
#7478 - 2014-10-07 16:27:04 UTC
Weren't we promised an update on everything on Monday? Last time I checked it is Tuesday.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#7479 - 2014-10-07 16:36:00 UTC
Jobbered wrote:
Weren't we promised an update on everything on Monday? Last time I checked it is Tuesday.

CCP failed to mention what Monday, not specifically this Monday!

...
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#7480 - 2014-10-07 16:42:30 UTC
Yuri Thorpe wrote:
Any updates on blops? :<


I too wish for updates on BLOPS :)

Every day I'm wafflin!