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ISK making strategy for new capsuleers.

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Verdis deMosays
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-10-05 15:58:12 UTC
Hello to all the fresh pilots of new eden!
I'm Verdis, your guide to a simple way to make isk with a scan frigate and minimal risk.

What you will need:
Any scanning frig (magnate, probe, heron, imicus)
Expanded probe launcher
Combat probes
2 gravity capacitor upgrade rigs (optional, but it helps)
Free cargo space
Microwarpdrive

What you do:
Scoop abandoned drones in mission systems. A set of T2 light drones sell for around 500k each, so if you scoop 1 flight, that's an easy 2.5 million isk for very little effort. So break out the scanner, let's get some free money!

How you do it:
Open the star map, and look for systems with lots of NPC kills near your home. Its a setting under filters you check and reload the map. Find a good high sec system and head there.

Once in system, warp to the sun or an out of the way spot, deploy probes and open the filter dropdown list, then select probes and drones.

Open the scanning map and do a wide range scan of the system. Then calm down at the resulting list. It'll be huge. Look for hits away from planets and moons. Those locations will be anomalies and complexes. You want missions that people have left drones in, and those are usually out in space away from planets.

Pull your probes to tight scan and focus on your best hits. When you get a warpable hit, switch the filter to ships. If there is a ship there, he's using them and you can't scoop it. Make a bookmark to check later, and move on to the next red ball.

If you find one with no ship, engage warp, fly there, and get close to the drones. Right click each one and select scoop to cargobay/dronebay depending on where you have room. If you got lucky, you might be sitting on 5 T2 or faction sentry drones. Enjoy the 15 mil you just made!

A word on values. If you scan enough to see type of drone, and its T1, just ignore the hits for them. They aren't worth the time. Any faction or T2 is though. Make those top priority, and scoop til you can't hold any more! I have done this and made more off of it than I have missioning when I was low sp. Even with 36mil sp and wormhole grade scanning skills, I still do it when I'm looking for quiet relaxing profits.

Don't hesitate to mail me in game if you want help or just to say thank you, I'll write back as soon as I can.

*helpful wormholer signing off*
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-10-05 22:30:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
You can also cruise through faction warfare low sec and grab drones from the belts and FW plexes for a little more excitement.

Or clean up after RvB. Last I checked they left piles of wrecks and drones all over the gates in the systems between Liekuri and Otela.

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Titan's Lament

Solecist Project
#3 - 2014-10-06 08:37:15 UTC
Alternatively...

I give out small jobs to new capsuleers and pay greatly,
way more than you would receive from pity missions.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-10-06 08:48:07 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
You can also cruise through faction warfare low sec and grab drones from the belts and FW plexes for a little more excitement.

Or clean up after RvB. Last I checked they left piles of wrecks and drones all over the gates in the systems between Liekuri and Otela.


Confirming RvB people are messy persons and never clean up after themself, so there is money to be made there.

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Solecist Project
#5 - 2014-10-06 08:55:41 UTC
Or you contact me and ask me for a job!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#6 - 2014-10-06 12:22:31 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Cara Forelli wrote:
You can also cruise through faction warfare low sec and grab drones from the belts and FW plexes for a little more excitement.

Or clean up after RvB. Last I checked they left piles of wrecks and drones all over the gates in the systems between Liekuri and Otela.


Confirming RvB people are messy persons and never clean up after themself, so there is money to be made there.


Lots of competition though. It's been a couple years since I was in RvB, but I distinctly remember lots of neutral Noctes lurking around hoovering up everything they could grab.

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Verdis deMosays
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-10-06 13:04:35 UTC
Yeah, FW cruising is a great way as well. As is nullsec vulturing in areas where lots of Ishtars died. After CFC and MOA went at it, I snagged about 3 Tengufuls of faction sentries at one battlefield.

The catch is that a nub in a T1 frig would never make it to a battlefield in null, and would have a bad time in low. But I got adventurous my first week in eve, so for a new player wanting idk, Faction Warfare systems can make you lots of cash...downside is everyone will shoot at you if they can.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-10-06 13:05:11 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Cara Forelli wrote:
You can also cruise through faction warfare low sec and grab drones from the belts and FW plexes for a little more excitement.

Or clean up after RvB. Last I checked they left piles of wrecks and drones all over the gates in the systems between Liekuri and Otela.


Confirming RvB people are messy persons and never clean up after themself, so there is money to be made there.


Lots of competition though. It's been a couple years since I was in RvB, but I distinctly remember lots of neutral Noctes lurking around hoovering up everything they could grab.


Guess what I was doing with JP when RvB had that server breaking Frigate FFA...P

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Johnathan Coffey
Niforce Triggers
#9 - 2014-10-07 12:04:03 UTC
Verdis deMosays wrote:
Hello to all the fresh pilots of new eden!
I'm Verdis, your guide to a simple way to make isk with a scan frigate and minimal risk.

What you will need:
Any scanning frig (magnate, probe, heron, imicus)
Expanded probe launcher
Combat probes
2 gravity capacitor upgrade rigs (optional, but it helps)
Free cargo space
Microwarpdrive

What you do:
Scoop abandoned drones in mission systems. A set of T2 light drones sell for around 500k each, so if you scoop 1 flight, that's an easy 2.5 million isk for very little effort. So break out the scanner, let's get some free money!

How you do it:
Open the star map, and look for systems with lots of NPC kills near your home. Its a setting under filters you check and reload the map. Find a good high sec system and head there.

Once in system, warp to the sun or an out of the way spot, deploy probes and open the filter dropdown list, then select probes and drones.

Open the scanning map and do a wide range scan of the system. Then calm down at the resulting list. It'll be huge. Look for hits away from planets and moons. Those locations will be anomalies and complexes. You want missions that people have left drones in, and those are usually out in space away from planets.

Pull your probes to tight scan and focus on your best hits. When you get a warpable hit, switch the filter to ships. If there is a ship there, he's using them and you can't scoop it. Make a bookmark to check later, and move on to the next red ball.

If you find one with no ship, engage warp, fly there, and get close to the drones. Right click each one and select scoop to cargobay/dronebay depending on where you have room. If you got lucky, you might be sitting on 5 T2 or faction sentry drones. Enjoy the 15 mil you just made!

A word on values. If you scan enough to see type of drone, and its T1, just ignore the hits for them. They aren't worth the time. Any faction or T2 is though. Make those top priority, and scoop til you can't hold any more! I have done this and made more off of it than I have missioning when I was low sp. Even with 36mil sp and wormhole grade scanning skills, I still do it when I'm looking for quiet relaxing profits.

Don't hesitate to mail me in game if you want help or just to say thank you, I'll write back as soon as I can.

*helpful wormholer signing off*

I find it hard to imagine that mission runners would be so careless as to leave their drones behind on a regular basis. Then again, I have never tried this myself so maybe I'm overestimating the average mission runner's resourcefulness.

First rule of EVE UI: right click EVERYTHING.

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#10 - 2014-10-07 13:53:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Vol Arm'OOO
Johnathan Coffey wrote:
Verdis deMosays wrote:
Hello to all the fresh pilots of new eden!
I'm Verdis, your guide to a simple way to make isk with a scan frigate and minimal risk.

What you will need:
Any scanning frig (magnate, probe, heron, imicus)
Expanded probe launcher
Combat probes
2 gravity capacitor upgrade rigs (optional, but it helps)
Free cargo space
Microwarpdrive

What you do:
Scoop abandoned drones in mission systems. A set of T2 light drones sell for around 500k each, so if you scoop 1 flight, that's an easy 2.5 million isk for very little effort. So break out the scanner, let's get some free money!

How you do it:
Open the star map, and look for systems with lots of NPC kills near your home. Its a setting under filters you check and reload the map. Find a good high sec system and head there.

Once in system, warp to the sun or an out of the way spot, deploy probes and open the filter dropdown list, then select probes and drones.

Open the scanning map and do a wide range scan of the system. Then calm down at the resulting list. It'll be huge. Look for hits away from planets and moons. Those locations will be anomalies and complexes. You want missions that people have left drones in, and those are usually out in space away from planets.

Pull your probes to tight scan and focus on your best hits. When you get a warpable hit, switch the filter to ships. If there is a ship there, he's using them and you can't scoop it. Make a bookmark to check later, and move on to the next red ball.

If you find one with no ship, engage warp, fly there, and get close to the drones. Right click each one and select scoop to cargobay/dronebay depending on where you have room. If you got lucky, you might be sitting on 5 T2 or faction sentry drones. Enjoy the 15 mil you just made!

A word on values. If you scan enough to see type of drone, and its T1, just ignore the hits for them. They aren't worth the time. Any faction or T2 is though. Make those top priority, and scoop til you can't hold any more! I have done this and made more off of it than I have missioning when I was low sp. Even with 36mil sp and wormhole grade scanning skills, I still do it when I'm looking for quiet relaxing profits.

Don't hesitate to mail me in game if you want help or just to say thank you, I'll write back as soon as I can.

*helpful wormholer signing off*

I find it hard to imagine that mission runners would be so careless as to leave their drones behind on a regular basis. Then again, I have never tried this myself so maybe I'm overestimating the average mission runner's resourcefulness.


Derpping is a fact of life in eve. Mission runners derp just like anyone else. Not only do they on occasion leave their drones behind but they also leave mtus and wrecks. The wrecks are easily salvaged. The forgotten mtus are also easily killed. Sometimes the mtus even contain surprises. Recently a buddy cracked open an mtu to find that it contained the remains of a faction fit mission running marauder. Apparently, the missioner runner underestimated the rats and his faithful mtu collected the wreck. All in all, cleaning up after mission runners is an easy way to make some isk. Ofc you can do better by heading out to null and ninja cleaning up after battles, but that involves some risk.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#11 - 2014-10-07 13:58:20 UTC
Johnathan Coffey wrote:
I find it hard to imagine that mission runners would be so careless as to leave their drones behind on a regular basis. Then again, I have never tried this myself so maybe I'm overestimating the average mission runner's resourcefulness.


There are many abandoned drones in and around missioning systems. Many pilots end up in scenarios where they've been inattentive, or overconfident, and had to warp out from a mission space before they could recall their drones. In some cases they've deliberately used their drones to distract the NPCs warp scrambling their mission boat as it drops into deep structure.

Of course the effort of probing these drones down is better put into more productive pursuits such as hunting data sites in hi sec, relic sites in lowsec, or entering mission spaces and stealing mission objectives (to then ransom back to the mission-runner).

With basic exploration and salvaging skills the new pilot could try ninja salvaging, though they'd be financially better off using those salvaging skills through a contract salvaging franchise such as Pro Synergy.

The young explorer would be far better off heading to low sec to plunder relic sites, IMHO.
Austrene Kanenald
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-10-07 14:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Austrene Kanenald
There's a video by JohnnyPew about this.. Let me get the link.

Edit - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=muPV0HiyoDk
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#13 - 2014-10-07 21:11:37 UTC
Johnathan Coffey wrote:
I find it hard to imagine that mission runners would be so careless as to leave their drones behind on a regular basis.
running a set of missions can be quite mind-numbing.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-10-07 21:16:33 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Johnathan Coffey wrote:
I find it hard to imagine that mission runners would be so careless as to leave their drones behind on a regular basis.
running a set of missions can be quite mind-numbing.


Which usually means people tend to grab for the booze, which only makes it more common to forget dronesP

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voetius
Grundrisse
#15 - 2014-10-07 21:42:46 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Johnathan Coffey wrote:
I find it hard to imagine that mission runners would be so careless as to leave their drones behind on a regular basis. Then again, I have never tried this myself so maybe I'm overestimating the average mission runner's resourcefulness.


There are many abandoned drones in and around missioning systems. Many pilots end up in scenarios where they've been inattentive, or overconfident, and had to warp out from a mission space before they could recall their drones. In some cases they've deliberately used their drones to distract the NPCs warp scrambling their mission boat as it drops into deep structure.

Of course the effort of probing these drones down is better put into more productive pursuits such as hunting data sites in hi sec, relic sites in lowsec, or entering mission spaces and stealing mission objectives (to then ransom back to the mission-runner).

With basic exploration and salvaging skills the new pilot could try ninja salvaging, though they'd be financially better off using those salvaging skills through a contract salvaging franchise such as Pro Synergy.

The young explorer would be far better off heading to low sec to plunder relic sites, IMHO.


^ scanning down abandoned drones takes a bit of effort. It can be made a bit easier if you know that mission deadspace sites are always with 4AU of a planet, so you can use dscan to narrow down which planet they are nearest to and set your combat probes to 4AU. It could be good practice for using dscan and it's better isk than running L1 or L2 missions but does require some upfront investment in training scanning skills.
Syssitia Nikostratos
Apobangpo Worldwide
#16 - 2014-10-08 09:06:50 UTC
Honestly, thanks for this. It's good practice for using probes which I'm pretty horrible at so far and with the bare minimum of scanning skills (literally the minimum required to fit and use the scanner) I was able to scan down a full set of 5 T2 Wardens on my first try. Took about 5 minutes for 5 mill return. Not bad. About ten minutes later I nabbed a full set of 5 T2 Valkyries. Not as expensive, but a decent 1.5 mill.

Mostly I'm really enjoying practicing using the probes, which I'd avoided ever since the tutorial. So yeah, thanks. :) Now if only I could figure out how to get at those juicy wrecks showing on my dscan...

Manners maketh man.

Khema Fera
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-10-08 12:27:32 UTC
Syssitia Nikostratos wrote:
Honestly, thanks for this. It's good practice for using probes which I'm pretty horrible at so far and with the bare minimum of scanning skills (literally the minimum required to fit and use the scanner) I was able to scan down a full set of 5 T2 Wardens on my first try. Took about 5 minutes for 5 mill return. Not bad. About ten minutes later I nabbed a full set of 5 T2 Valkyries. Not as expensive, but a decent 1.5 mill.

Mostly I'm really enjoying practicing using the probes, which I'd avoided ever since the tutorial. So yeah, thanks. :) Now if only I could figure out how to get at those juicy wrecks showing on my dscan...

It's not possible to directly probe down wrecks :p.
It is, however, possible probe down ships and structures. Such as MTUs. If you're looking to salvage people's sites, you can do it while they're there (not that I recommend that because of the rats), but some people will drop MTUs in the missions which you can probe down and warp to to salvage.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-10-08 13:23:48 UTC
Khema Fera wrote:
It is, however, possible probe down ships and structures. Such as MTUs. If you're looking to salvage people's sites, you can do it while they're there (not that I recommend that because of the rats), but some people will drop MTUs in the missions which you can probe down and warp to to salvage.

However, most level 4 missions have multiple "rooms" (separated by acceleration gates) so you can easily salvage the first while they are working on the second, etc.

Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli

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Verdis deMosays
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-10-09 01:17:00 UTC
Syssitia Nikostratos wrote:
Honestly, thanks for this. It's good practice for using probes which I'm pretty horrible at so far and with the bare minimum of scanning skills (literally the minimum required to fit and use the scanner) I was able to scan down a full set of 5 T2 Wardens on my first try. Took about 5 minutes for 5 mill return. Not bad. About ten minutes later I nabbed a full set of 5 T2 Valkyries. Not as expensive, but a decent 1.5 mill.

Mostly I'm really enjoying practicing using the probes, which I'd avoided ever since the tutorial. So yeah, thanks. :) Now if only I could figure out how to get at those juicy wrecks showing on my dscan...


Glad it helped. As I see it from living in a wormhole full time, and null sec previously, the scanning game is a major part of eve. If you learn how to play it in empire, while profiting at the same time, you're closer to a fast track to holes or null. No one turns down a good scout. Ever. Anywhere. So go and make some cash, train covops, and then you know how to play in the profitable areas.

And yes, low/null relic and data sites can net you some major isk. This just gets a fresh pilot the cash and skills to get out and make it.

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