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Prototype: Dojos

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Rynnik
Evasion Gaming
The Ancients.
#1061 - 2014-09-29 23:39:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rynnik
CCP Veritas wrote:

There are four strong guiding principles that I applied while doing this:
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  • Fights need to be un-screw-with-able. We strongly feel that if what’s supposed to be a “fair” match given a set of predetermined rules is thrown off course by outside influence, it invalidates the whole premise.
  • ~CCP Veritas


    Dear CCP and Mr. Veritas,

    Why would you think that this is a decent premise upon which to build a new PvP feature?

    After having been unsubbed for a year or so I am back flying around in New Eden. Why? Because after touring around the MMORPG market I have discovered that you folks, and ONLY you folks, have managed to build a vibrant virtual world. Every other MMO has failed to do that and one of the keys aspects that has allowed EVE to do it well is the sense of interplay and interaction that exists in this virtual universe.

    It is like the cliche goons recruiting line about any pilot being able to make a difference... They can, at very low skill points, as many stories have attested to over the years. It is the same sort of sense that pilots like me have about the volatile nature of undocking a ship in this game. While the opportunity cost of suicide ganking makes in unappealing to me, I COULD do it. We all know this. And it is one of the first things new players get ingrained into them. You are never truly safe when you undock. There is no instance or scenario where you can't be engaged with applicable consequence once you leave that station interface behind and start to play the wonderful experience that taking a spaceship through this universe is.

    It is this sense of 'right' in the EVE universe that I think you are treading on in this thread and with this proposal. Much like Incarna as released wasn't right for EVE, this is a step in a direction that is dreaded by the type of people who, like me, come back to this game after a year away because it has stayed TRUE to the vision of a virtual world where player interactions, while properly guided by the rules of the world, still reign as the supreme factor on who lives and who goes home in their pod.

    Please build an arena feature. Give the players some defensive tools so that given time, effort, and resources PvP matches can be 'fair' and free from outside influence. However, given more time, effort, and resources make sure that OTHER players absolutely can mess with the balance and cause a very EVEish and wonderful amount of fuckery. Please go back to the drawing board on the initial premise of this thread and reconsider what the proper way to bring arenas, if that is what you want, to this world.

    Thanks for your time and consideration,

    A hopeful customer glad to be home. For now at least...
    Ines Tegator
    Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
    #1062 - 2014-09-30 01:30:53 UTC
    Interesting idea. Needs to be implemented with care. Why are people whining about instances? Assuming of course, that this doesn't actually affect anything.... it would be an alternative to ship spinning.

    Idea: Virtual Reality Room
    -No cost
    -No risk
    -No payoff (not even achievements, or titles, or killmails. Nothing. Zip. Nada. Zilch. If you duel for 5 minutes, you just lost 5 minutes. Presumably having fun while doing it though.)
    -No sec restrictions.
    -Limited fitting (t1 ships and mods only) (to prevent it becoming a testing ground)

    Wanna break up missioning? Take a breather from mining? Try out pvp at no risk? Explode spectacularly in a level of fail never before seen, then stream it to a bunch of drunk guys from other games to show them how awesome dying in a fire can be?

    It hurts nothing, benefits no one, and gives us something new to do while dicking around. It might even help get more people into pvp by giving them a place to try it out.
    Lelira Cirim
    Doomheim
    #1063 - 2014-09-30 04:20:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lelira Cirim
    If this concept survives Duality I look forward to see what it can become! Bear
    Mainly the vending machine mechanic seems a lot tidier than the usual Hunger Games layout of an arena.

    Honestly indifferent about having a "Singularity" zero risk/reward instance. Instancing is not a feature I'd ever ask for. But I use SISI for that reason, so I can see our newbros appreciating it as another kind of FFA arena, and a way to set rules against boosts, etc..

    If a team of 5v5 could get a private beacon to a deep safe grid, it's just automating an otherwise manual process. I'm all for saving people steps, without needing to impinge upon existing mechanics. Kudos for making Corp Fittings anything to do with it. Blink

    Do not actively tank my patience.

    Eessi
    Kenshin.
    Initiative Mercenaries
    #1064 - 2014-09-30 06:29:15 UTC
    The Dojo is the best deployable idea ever, right next to the mobile tractor unit!

    Please make this happen!

    Thank you CCP Veritas!

    Good Luck!
    Josef Djugashvilis
    #1065 - 2014-09-30 07:08:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
    Dun'Gal wrote:
    You know, I seem to recall reading numerous threads where the idea of "instanced" combat was shot down numerous times, not only by players but also by dev's, as it breaks the sandbox concept. Why this is now on the table I have no idea, but I do know, I don't like it.


    I rather suspect it is because subs appear to be down, so CCP are now hoping that instanced pvp in a protected area might bring in the 'instant gratification, I don't really want to play Eve, but will play protected shoot em ups' in an attempt to raise sub numbers.

    It is sad that CCP have been reduced to this.

    This is not a signature.

    PastyWhiteDevil
    Mayhem and Ruin
    #1066 - 2014-09-30 22:28:46 UTC
    It might also be a good idea to note in your analysis of this that ccp veritas is going over to riot games who make league of legends. In my opinion that makes it pretty clear what type of content he wants to create. so make of it what u will.
    Mazzara
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #1067 - 2014-10-01 02:13:45 UTC
    +1 great idea.
    No matter how much you scrub, how hot of water you use, you can't wash shame!
    
    Caval Marten
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #1068 - 2014-10-01 04:23:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Caval Marten
    Quote:
    Have you ever wanted a little pewpew but didn’t have the time to find


    Have you ever wanted a fleet battle but didn’t have the time to find

    Have you ever wanted to run a DED but didn’t have the time to find

    Have you ever wanted to shoot some sleepers but didn’t have the time to find

    You get the point.. Eve is not about a quick fix. You put in the time and then (hopefully) get the rewards. There are days where I can roam for a while and don't find much, other times a jump or two out of my home system and I get a nice brawl.

    If I want a quick gaming fix there are plenty of other options. Eve is the only one where I come back regularly and don't mind putting the time in.
    Capqu
    Half Empty
    #1069 - 2014-10-01 07:04:57 UTC
    hope this never makes it to tq
    Revis Owen
    The Conference Elite
    CODE.
    #1070 - 2014-10-01 15:28:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Revis Owen
    Disliked. One way to turn Eve into a theme-park is by adding rides like this one at a time.

    CCP Veritas wrote:
    Have you ever wanted a little pewpew but didn’t have the time to find a fight, or even fit a ship?


    Really doesn't take much time or effort to find a fight or fit a ship. Don't need a theme-park ride created to cater to those not even willing to exert that minimal effort. Save Eve from becoming a theme-park!

    Agent of the New Order http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html If you do not have a current Mining Permit, please contact me for issuance.

    CloudyHi Crush
    Kleptomaniac Consortium
    Maggie's Magical Malliance
    #1071 - 2014-10-01 15:44:10 UTC
    i sugessted something like this a few times and never got any response. You really just need to add a gambling of isk feature lol :)
    SKIN KZ
    My Little Pony Industries Inc.
    DarkSide.
    #1072 - 2014-10-02 12:41:43 UTC
    Hi everyone!

    I'm realy don't undestand what is the meaning of this idea??? 1 vs 1 fair duel ???
    But you already have a duels mechanic. It has some problems, but I suggested how to fix them in this theme: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=357977.

    Why reinvent the wheel ???
    We could combine these two ideas. For example:
    - After making a call to a duel, both players are thrown into space in a random place.
    - In this place can not come to a third party.
    - On the players do not apply for team bonuses.
    - After the destruction of the winner gets precipitated modules.

    What do you say?...

    Fly safe, die fast!...

    Revis Owen
    The Conference Elite
    CODE.
    #1073 - 2014-10-02 12:55:14 UTC
    CCP Veritas wrote:
    Fights need to be un-screw-with-able.


    I can't think of any direction for game development which goes against the soul of Eve worse than "un-screw-with-able".

    Terrible game development direction, and terrible idea in the OP.

    Agent of the New Order http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html If you do not have a current Mining Permit, please contact me for issuance.

    Flashrain
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #1074 - 2014-10-04 23:48:13 UTC
    Any possibility of this dojo feature enhanced for first person dogfighting mode?
    Obsidian Hawk
    RONA Midgard Academy
    RONA Directorate
    #1075 - 2014-10-05 06:27:34 UTC
    This seems to theme parkish and like battlegrounds in other mmos. So I'm going to vote no on this one. EvE is about risk and reward not instant gratification.


    If it stays on the test servers, that's fine that's where it should be, just not on TQ.

    Why Can't I have a picture signature.

    Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.

    Primira Kidics
    FreedomUnion
    #1076 - 2014-10-06 11:56:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Primira Kidics
    ・5v5 TeamBattle
    ・Can play Not in Corp menber and anymenber.
    ・Auto Matching Battle System
    ・Ship and Battle Rule Change System (Every Month)
    ・Ship and Module FreeISK,but payment money for ISK about 10,000.
    ・Montry MVP Championship System : MVP get ISK.
    ・Battle System get can LP -> can buy Rare Ship (Alliance Tornament Ship`s)
    ・Visitor can see ship fit.(finished Match Battle)

    this reply is writed japanese for Japanese forum.
    So sorry bad English.

    tyBig smile
    Bamboozlement
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #1077 - 2014-10-06 23:31:41 UTC
    Obsidian Hawk wrote:
    This seems to theme parkish and like battlegrounds in other mmos. So I'm going to vote no on this one. EvE is about risk and reward not instant gratification.

    If it stays on the test servers, that's fine that's where it should be, just not on TQ.


    You are implying that dojos don't respect the risk vs reward philosophy, which is wrong. You understand that ships will explode right?

    If eve isn't about instant gratification how do you explain that many people (mainly in nullsec) only login to put skills in queue and to jump to a cyno to press F1? Should CCP add a no-cyno timer after login? Roll

    I have a Ph.D

    Kaarous Aldurald
    Black Hydra Consortium.
    #1078 - 2014-10-06 23:50:50 UTC
    Bamboozlement wrote:

    You are implying that dojos don't respect the risk vs reward philosophy, which is wrong.


    No, it's quite correct. This aborted concept completely removes any risk of interference by a third party, at no cost. It reduces risk, and does not have a penalty attached to it.

    Ergo, it does not respect risk/reward.

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    Samuel Wess
    Doomheim
    #1079 - 2014-10-07 00:38:36 UTC
    I'd love arena fights, special store to buy & fit limited modules and ships usable just in the arena, and you can bet on
    the winner and watch the fights from Captain Quarter.

    Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!"

    Satisfry
    Doomheim
    #1080 - 2014-10-07 02:30:32 UTC
    I love the idea of this feature, I really, really hope it comes out.

    I'll make 3 new accounts just to train ninjas of different races quickly.