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QotD: How do you measure profitability of highsec ganking?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#161 - 2014-10-06 13:09:53 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
The people who support ganking are those looking for entertainment


My god. How Horrible! People looking for entertainment out of a Game.

This. Must. Be. Stopped!

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#162 - 2014-10-06 13:15:51 UTC
1. People frequently come on the forums and explain that they are leaving eve because of out of control suicide ganking. It's also an extremely rational economic response to stop mining if you get ganked. It surely drives many into nullsec alliances for better protection. And few purchase permits, as people don't like giving in to extortion.

2. Look at the top 7 shareholders of CODE


1. Isk Doubler
2. Unclear, but not in a manufacturing Corp
3. Market Manipulator
4. Character Bazzar participant
5. Biomassed
6. Miner (or at least trolling about being one)
7. Suicide Ganker


Number of people from manufacturing corps? 0.
Solecist Project
#163 - 2014-10-06 13:19:07 UTC
Please note that when CCP states that suicide ganking is on an all time low ...
... it is obviously out of control and CCP are just delusional about their data.

lol at all the scrubs at both sides of the ganking equation.


*kinks*

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#164 - 2014-10-06 13:21:20 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
1. People frequently come on the forums and explain that they are leaving eve because of out of control suicide ganking.


Citation needed.


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It's also an extremely rational economic response to stop mining if you get ganked.


It's an extremely rational response, period, to not mine. Idk about anyone else here, but my $15 a month does not get paid for me to be perpetually bored.


Quote:

Number of people from manufacturing corps? 0.



Today I learned that alts don't exist. Roll

Try harder, Veers.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#165 - 2014-10-06 13:31:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Veers Belvar wrote:
1. People frequently come on the forums and explain that they are leaving eve because of out of control suicide ganking. It's also an extremely rational economic response to stop mining if you get ganked. It surely drives many into nullsec alliances for better protection. And few purchase permits, as people don't like giving in to extortion.


no, people consistently have their preconceived notions about the game shattered in hilariously expensive (and trivially avoidable) explosions and then bravely stop undocking and spent the next week or so whinging at ccp from the safety of the station (in highsec) to changing the game to fit those notions, using their eleventytwelvehundred subs (that they plex) as blackmail.
we then proceed to troll the entitled gits until either they grow a pair or their sub runs out

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Solecist Project
#166 - 2014-10-06 13:36:15 UTC
I clicked "show Alliance" but it doesn't show.
I'm a sexy calmil girl now and everyone should know ......

So blue, so blue.... shoobedoobedoooo.....

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#167 - 2014-10-06 13:47:13 UTC
Is this still going on? Good lord people, the profitability of ganking is purely subjective. Having an Internet forum debate about how to measure it is like getting into an argument about why blue is your favorite color, how that makes it the best color, and bringing "facts" to the table to back up your assertions.

Gankers gonna gank, haters gonna hate. That's all you need to know.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#168 - 2014-10-06 13:52:07 UTC
BTW Sol, yer new avatar is hawt. Rawr....

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Dwissi
Miners Delight Reborn
#169 - 2014-10-06 15:43:27 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Dwissi wrote:
I miss the most important part in the OP - the economical aspect as a producer of ships. Ganks become a complete different value then - i dont really calculate the value of destruction needed because i profit from both participants.


Nonsense. What is the increase in demand per ship ganked? Maybe 0.1 ships demanded for each ganked? And what fraction of the market do you control? Calculate your marginal profit per gank and you will realize how absurd that angle is.



Applying only your personal logic to someone elses action is indeed nonsense - next please.

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Before someone complains again: grr everyone

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Solecist Project
#170 - 2014-10-06 15:46:44 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
BTW Sol, yer new avatar is hawt. Rawr....

*kinks* (:

Thank you, kind sir!

Would you like to request a full list of features? :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#171 - 2014-10-06 15:48:34 UTC
Generally you look at the cargo.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#172 - 2014-10-06 16:59:13 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
*kinks* (:

Thank you, kind sir!

Would you like to request a full list of features? :)

Thanks, but no. Occasional online flattery is my limit of such things.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#173 - 2014-10-06 17:39:58 UTC
Profiwhat?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#174 - 2014-10-06 18:46:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Generally you look at the cargo.


You are soooooooooo old fashioned man....time to retire.

The new meta is to blow up empty ships and concoct incredibly unlikely reasons why this is somehow profitable. Time to embrace the new age.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#175 - 2014-10-06 18:47:41 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Generally you look at the cargo.


You are soooooooooo old fashioned man....time to retire.

The new meta is to blow up empty ships and concoct incredibly unlikely reasons why this is somehow profitable. Time to embrace the new age.


Yeah, you would had to have ignored everything I said debunking this bullshit you just said, since otherwise you couldn't carry on with your narrative.

Which is, as I already laid out, complete nonsense.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#176 - 2014-10-06 18:58:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Veers Belvar
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Generally you look at the cargo.


You are soooooooooo old fashioned man....time to retire.

The new meta is to blow up empty ships and concoct incredibly unlikely reasons why this is somehow profitable. Time to embrace the new age.


Yeah, you would had to have ignored everything I said debunking this bullshit you just said, since otherwise you couldn't carry on with your narrative.

Which is, as I already laid out, complete nonsense.


Yes, you have conclusively proved that blowing up empty freighters is now a profitable activity, defying all known laws of economics in the process. Congratulations. Roll
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#177 - 2014-10-06 19:19:56 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Yes, you have conclusively proved that blowing up empty freighters is now a profitable activity, defying all known laws of economics in the process. Congratulations. Roll


That isn't what I said, although I freely believe that you are capable of either blithely ignoring it because it completely disproves your assertions, or that you are actually stupid enough to not understand what I said.

Both are equally plausible in my estimation.

That, or you're just on drugs again.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#178 - 2014-10-06 20:46:48 UTC
For me it's simply ((Cargoscan - 750m ish) / 50%) / # of people involved.
The (750m ish) is the general coast of 8x Talos, since I generally run the main DPS involved while someone else scans and scoops.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#179 - 2014-10-06 21:21:42 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Yes, you have conclusively proved that blowing up empty freighters is now a profitable activity, defying all known laws of economics in the process. Congratulations. Roll

It's cheaper to gank with more people since you can use Catalysts instead of Taloses (~1:7). To keep a large group interested or to even motivate them to join the fleet you need a stream of targets so they don't have to wait for hours and desert the fleet. After all it is a game, people play it to have fun, at least in our little corner.

There will be valuable targets among the randomly picked freighters that completely pay for the rest of the ganks and beyond.

Since this is a very social game it's often more about the people than about pure economics. Some people simply understand that, others cry forever on the forums because they don't actually have a clue what's going on.

Evil RatKid
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#180 - 2014-10-07 01:48:37 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Yes, you have conclusively proved that blowing up empty freighters is now a profitable activity, defying all known laws of economics in the process. Congratulations. Roll

It's cheaper to gank with more people since you can use Catalysts instead of Taloses (~1:7). To keep a large group interested or to even motivate them to join the fleet you need a stream of targets so they don't have to wait for hours and desert the fleet. After all it is a game, people play it to have fun, at least in our little corner.

There will be valuable targets among the randomly picked freighters that completely pay for the rest of the ganks and beyond.

Since this is a very social game it's often more about the people than about pure economics. Some people simply understand that, others cry forever on the forums because they don't actually have a clue what's going on.


Well I do agree with you at least that its "more about people than about pure economics." Since your organization has lit 400 billion Isk on fire with no tangible impact, its obviously not being done to make a profit. If it were, you would at least bother to scan the ships beforehand and look for cargo (you already scan them for tank).