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TVP Propaganda Machine Hoodwinks Incursion Runners in Recent Drama?

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Tarpedo
Incursionista
#41 - 2014-10-02 23:24:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarpedo
Menero Orti wrote:
Do you really think people will let TVP dictate there gameplay?

Yes, sure. If you didn't notice TVP is people and they already "dictate" this gameplay to themselves (and others) for 5 weeks in a row.
There is good proverb for situations like this: if you cannot win against them - join them (and make isk).
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#42 - 2014-10-02 23:30:35 UTC
Menero Orti wrote:
Charadrass wrote:
Official DIN STATEMENT:
We support the Incursion closing till ISN stops forming HQ.
We even support TVP in numbers for mom fleets if we're in the same focus.

so yes. there is drama, but we dont care.
noble ranger is currently paying pilots to join the HQfleet to get pilots together to force TVP to close it.
ISN FCs currently prefer flying vanguards or assaults to make money, Noble Ranger is the only FC trying to get an HQ up to cut his own pilots off the income.

dear isn pilots, if you like making isk with incursions, stay in vanguards / assaults or join another fleet.
everytime ISN HQ undocks, the incursion will die.



Please go back to you're cave. Nobody wants you here with you're ideas that Noble is "paying" ISN pilots to come do HQ sites. And frankly this can be dragged for a VERY VERY long time and this isn't even the beginning on what can actually happen ... so relax go outside and enjoy the outdoors cos we don't play Incursions Online



ISN even used only ship hulls without fitting to undock and force tvp into killing the Kundalini :)
Wraymond Arji
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-10-02 23:50:25 UTC
n2cthe1 wrote:
TVP have finally produced a counter( http://thevalhallaproject.info/news.html ) to the ISN proposal. Neither crosses the divide between the two differing incursion philosophies and are probably doomed to fail.

However, could this be what TVP are aiming for? Strange thing to say, you might think, but read on and judge for yourself.

The none-to-subtle approach by the TVP team shows a classic approach to propaganda and manipulation. Will the other communities realise this or will they just see the chance to get back to making iskies? Will they care?

There is nothing new in the recent TVP proposal, it is a rehash of the old differences that have been splitting incursion unity for over 2 years. What is interesting, though, is its insidious nature that seeks to enable TVP to ”control” incursions by restricting freedom of other incursion communities. Who do you think will want to lead this expansion of control of incursions? There may be much denial of this but history shows this to be a classic approach.

TVP have been pretty canny with this proposal. I believe they have set it up to fail. Clear in knowledge that it will probably be unacceptable to ISN, TVP are banking on the other incursion communities believing it is a reasonable proposal (dangling the isk-making carrot in front of them, again?).

Why is this important? Well, TVP are desperate to maintain the claim to have the support of the entire incursion community (excluding ISN of course). This is line they constantly repeat in their channel. However, this does not seem to reflect reality.

What is actually behind all of this? Well, more than one of the other incursion communities has indicated that TVP have strived, but ultimately failed, to match ISN. They theorise that this inferiority seems to be at the core of the problem. One suggested that TVP see ISN as their nemesis and this was the ultimate reason for their collective psychosis (his words, not mine).

Have TVP engaged in a great piece of propaganda manipulation to finally make themselves look better than ISN? They must know their proposal will be unpalatable to ISN but they must be hoping that the other incursion communities will not see this.

If they succeed they may be scratching that itch that is their nemesis. If they fail in this attempt, their psychosis could worsen.


To hell with propaganda, whoever performs better deserves the jackpot. If ISN can come in and contest a site and win it then they deserve it and TVP needs to stop acting like spoiled kindergardeners, and vice versa. FIght for it, screw talking it out. FIGHT FOR IT TO THE PAIN!!!
Kaphrah
Thats my BOI
#44 - 2014-10-03 00:00:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaphrah
Menero Orti wrote:



Please go back to you're cave. Nobody wants you here with you're ideas that Noble is "paying" ISN pilots to come do HQ sites. And frankly this can be dragged for a VERY VERY long time and this isn't even the beginning on what can actually happen ... so relax go outside and enjoy the outdoors cos we don't play Incursions Online


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We finally have a place and temple again to serve the long forgotten ancient god, unbelievable!

It seems like charadrass isn't just cave but he is also ideas! We haven't found out yet where to look for "idea" but search will go on!
Bozl1n
Shiva
Northern Coalition.
#45 - 2014-10-03 00:11:04 UTC
Tarpedo wrote:
For me it's amazing how TVP is still consider ISN an entity and "incursion community" despite ISN's newest ~0 ISK/month (!) income rate (more than a month passed since their last effective HQ farm). From the look of things ISN now isn't any more of incursion community than TEST for example - TEST also makes 0 ISK/month from incursions.

If incursions (and income from them) were actual points of ISN's existence then they'd reform and start to farm weeks ago but instead they prove on daily basis money isn't their goal, they look like dedicated griefing company rather than a business - and as long as they'll continue to provoke TVP I'll support TVP's sanctions (anyway I can make ISK in TVP fleets out of ISN's prime time hehe)

p.s. dear devs, how about 6-12 hours incursion respawn time instead of 12-36 hours?


Lmao

I dont think you understand ISN at all, primary is more like a corp and the core of ISN more like a family than any community/group/allience/corp ive ever been in during all my years eve.


You cannot break us
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#46 - 2014-10-03 13:07:12 UTC
Quote:
To hell with propaganda, whoever performs better deserves the jackpot. If ISN can come in and contest a site and win it then they deserve it and TVP needs to stop acting like spoiled kindergardeners, and vice versa. FIght for it, screw talking it out. FIGHT FOR IT TO THE PAIN!!!


to hell with propaganda, whoever performs better deserves the jackpot, if tvp can come into a mom site and win it isn needs to stop acting like spoiled kindergardeners.

Quote:
Lmao

I dont think you understand ISN at all, primary is more like a corp and the core of ISN more like a family than any community/group/allience/corp ive ever been in during all my years eve.


You cannot break us


then i dont understand your tears really. if it dont bother you and isn, then isn shouldnt even publish postings full of tears.

just stay unbroken till the end of the universe, cause you make like no money in HQ :)
Kaphrah
Thats my BOI
#47 - 2014-10-03 14:56:42 UTC
Charadrass wrote:
Quote:
To hell with propaganda, whoever performs better deserves the jackpot. If ISN can come in and contest a site and win it then they deserve it and TVP needs to stop acting like spoiled kindergardeners, and vice versa. FIght for it, screw talking it out. FIGHT FOR IT TO THE PAIN!!!


to hell with propaganda, whoever performs better deserves the jackpot, if tvp can come into a mom site and win it isn needs to stop acting like spoiled kindergardeners.

Quote:
Lmao

I dont think you understand ISN at all, primary is more like a corp and the core of ISN more like a family than any community/group/allience/corp ive ever been in during all my years eve.


You cannot break us


then i dont understand your tears really. if it dont bother you and isn, then isn shouldnt even publish postings full of tears.

just stay unbroken till the end of the universe, cause you make like no money in HQ :)


Shush. You're a cave. Cave does cave things. Cave does not talk.
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#48 - 2014-10-03 15:31:16 UTC
/me is a cave. silently grumbling...
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#49 - 2014-10-03 15:35:52 UTC
Only tears I see being harvested are coming from TVP. You're being trolled and you don't even realize it. If ISN can undock only in ship hulls and you automatically form and pop the MOM, then they are owning you. They are forcing TVP into an action they would otherwise be unwilling to do in normal circumstances, and costing everyone their Incursion farming; not just ISN.

So the only kindergarteners I see here is TVP and their mentality of, "If you can't play my way, I will take the ball and go home."
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#50 - 2014-10-03 16:30:30 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Only tears I see being harvested are coming from TVP. You're being trolled and you don't even realize it. If ISN can undock only in ship hulls and you automatically form and pop the MOM, then they are owning you. They are forcing TVP into an action they would otherwise be unwilling to do in normal circumstances, and costing everyone their Incursion farming; not just ISN.

So the only kindergarteners I see here is TVP and their mentality of, "If you can't play my way, I will take the ball and go home."


tvp is simply returning the favor. so grow a pair of balls and stop whining.
isn did the same a while ago, kodavor wrote in local after they closed the mom after beeing contested: no isk for isn, no isk for everyone.

isn started it, now they dont like it coming back to themselves.

if pilots wanna fly with isn, and they wanna actually make isk, they should limit their fleets to vanguard and assault.
if they undock in hq strength the incursion will be closed.
the isn pilots are in charge here, they can chose if they make iskies or not.

guess what, i see your future answer to this post, here is it:

blablalba tvp bad blablabla denying everyone blablabla wanna make iskies while contesting teh **** out of weaker fleets blablabla.
[add a lot of tears here]

if you give a **** about the incursions beeing closed all the time, then just walk away. otherwise you prove everyone that you care bout it.


edit: cave has spoken !
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#51 - 2014-10-04 05:47:36 UTC
Quote:

You cannot break us

Made you hop corps 3 times with a one man corp. LOL.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#52 - 2014-10-04 06:23:01 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:

You cannot break us

Made you hop corps 3 times with a one man corp. LOL.

Costing him about 0 isk, and you 150M. GJ.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#53 - 2014-10-04 09:22:12 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:

You cannot break us

Made you hop corps 3 times with a one man corp. LOL.

Costing him about 0 isk, and you 150M. GJ.


When ISK is worth more than balls gimme a holler.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2014-10-04 14:04:03 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:

You cannot break us

Made you hop corps 3 times with a one man corp. LOL.

Costing him about 0 isk, and you 150M. GJ.


When ISK is worth more than balls gimme a holler.


When you find an incursion guy who *doesnt* hop corp for a wardec, gimme a holler
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#55 - 2014-10-04 19:17:04 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:

You cannot break us

Made you hop corps 3 times with a one man corp. LOL.

Costing him about 0 isk, and you 150M. GJ.


When ISK is worth more than balls gimme a holler.


When you find an incursion guy who *doesnt* hop corp for a wardec, gimme a holler


I never did.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#56 - 2014-10-06 10:17:08 UTC
This thread has been moved to Crime & Punishment.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#57 - 2014-10-06 11:16:53 UTC
Quick solutions stop whining and hire mercs.... You've got the money, otherwise unbunch your panties and get over it, its just a game.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
Miko Jin
HELVEGEN
#58 - 2014-10-06 11:36:46 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
Quick solutions stop whining and hire mercs.... You've got the money, otherwise unbunch your panties and get over it, its just a game.



You said "Panties" lol
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#59 - 2014-10-07 04:02:52 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
This thread has been moved to Crime & Punishment.


I get that whiney, self-entitled incursion bears are a crime but do the upstanding citizens of C&P really have to be punished for it? Isn't there an incursion sub-forum or something? Failing that, how about the scariest darkest recess of the forum (intergalactic summit)?

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#60 - 2014-10-07 04:23:06 UTC
admiral root wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
This thread has been moved to Crime & Punishment.


I get that whiney, self-entitled incursion bears are a crime but do the upstanding citizens of C&P really have to be punished for it? Isn't there an incursion sub-forum or something? Failing that, how about the scariest darkest recess of the forum (intergalactic summit)?


No kidding. What did we do to make ISD Ezwal hate us this much?