Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Since nothing has been done for years on this topic despite hundreds of messages posted left and right on the forum, it's time to take a look at this module. This thread is PVP-oriented, so if you are here to complain about high-sec, PVE, or to advise me of fitting 3 true sansha warp scramblers to catch a target, please move on, you are in the wrong place.

Alright, let's try to make this constructive and start with an example


Example

I was roaming around solo in Devoid and Bleak Lands in a standard Hookbill, looking for some pew-pew with FW guys, usually open to fights. Did about 20 jumps in the area before docking. During that roam, I engaged 8 people, out of which 8 out there were stabbed. Yes, all of them. I was carrying a Warp Disruptor at first and then swapped for a Warp Scrambler on the way, but that didn't prevented them from warping out.

Here are some of the comments from local:




No need to be a genius to understand that this module basically allow people to be completely AFK while farming the game for ISK (I thought we already had highsec for that...), and leave any fights even when committed, even when you have a scrambler fitted.


Now let's have a look at the module itself and some of its characteristics, and what can be some potential solutions/ideas to improve the current situation:

Current issues

1. Doesn't require any specific skills (Warp Drive Operation Level 1 + Navigation Level 1, taking just a few minutes)
2. Can be fitted on every single ship due to low PWG and CPU requirements (1MW + 30 TF)
3. The drawback is totally irrelevant (-50% targeting range / -50% scan resolution)
4. No limitation on how many can be fitted
5. No limitation on where it can be used (high/low/nullsec, FW, Missions, etc.)
6. There are currently no adaptive counter-measure to this module (only heavy interdictors have infinite point strength)

Ideas

1. Should require more skills to be fitted. Make it a level 5 skill that will take time to be trained. That will prevent the army of one-day old character to just jump into a T1 frigate and farm AFK


2. Increase the PWG and CPU requirements so that it is harder to fit them on any random ship [DISCARDED DUE TO LOW FITTING CAPACITIES ON FREIGHTER]


3. Change the drawback to something relevant, such as a massive reduction in agility/increase in align time. That would avoid people insta-warping even when pointed, giving a slight chance for agressor to kill them


4. Reduce the number of warp core stabilizers that can be fitted. 1 by default, increased to 2 with skill at lvl 3 and 3 with skill at lvl 5. That won't impact ships that have built-in WCS (venture, transport ships, etc.)[ADJUSTED TO 3 WCS MAXIMUM]


5. Warp core stabilizers, just like some other modules, should not be able to be used anywhere. Low sec isn't a low security area anymore, since anybody can just leave alive those days. Funnily enough, missioners that come in lowsec generally don't fit any since they need to tank the NPCs, so that is not really an issue for missions, where they can remain an option. FW plexes however, where this issue is very common, shouldn't allow you to get inside if you have one fitted. You are in WARFARE area, you are here to fight the opposite militia, period. If not, then just move back to highsec


6. Design an infinite point that can only be fitted on frigates/destroyers and that will use a high slot. Of course, you can't point capitals and above with it. You can currently keep a titan pointed in a single T2 cruiser hull, why couldn't we prevent random farmers from getting away in a frig? Plus using a high slot would mean less dps, making it interesting fitting wise (keep target pointed, but increase risk of dying). [RISKY DUE TO THE ABUS THAT THIS COULD LEAD TO - GATE CAMP AHEAD]

Now, those are just ideas that some friends and myself had after some discussion ingame. I'm sure there will be plenty more, and hopefully we can end up in a situation where WCS actually have some value which comes at a price and need to be trained.

I have caught many stabbed farmers, it simply requires you to narrow your engagement envelope to only them. You apparently found 8 out of 8 that were stabbed so why not change your fit?

All of the changes you propose will not stop people from farming. You don't need stabs to farm, anyone who is competent will be gone before you land, if they don't want to fight, making warp stabs hard to fit is not going to make them want to fight.

I've caught ventures no problem, which have +2 warp core strength without any WCS' fitted at all. Your fit needs adjustment, not the game mechanics.

This.

They are making a fitting choice and had to compromise for it. What makes you think you shouldn't have to do the same, to catch him?

Sometimes the PvPers whine louder and more ridiculously than the PvEers they make fun of.

This is one of those times.

This is why i trained a heavy dictor, no more stabbed itterons getting out of my station

Im doing it in low sec and it generates content, so i could care less what people think with every passing day

I have an FW alt and i run plexes in a cruiser semi - AFK, that way i can fit more stabs

Hey it makes ISK in the background and makes it easier to fit a cloak so i can just bounce to a safe and wait it out. No cruisers lost so far so something is working as intended it seems

You could also consider bring a mobile depot along and adjusting your mid slots during the course of the roam.