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You would have a point if the carrier wasn't used about 90% of the time by line members to move fit ships, its the best tool for the job.

This thread hit maximum rage fatigue

The only fatigue I'll be experiencing is from cracking the whip on highsec slaves

1st: Thank you.

2nd: Couple thoughts:


1) why exponential growth? Why not a formula that converges on some large number? So instead of x^2 its more like sqrt(x) shaped? You get a similar effect (multiple jumps leads to a major slow down in distance traveled over time) and it does so at a rapid rate, but that rate caps out after a while and you don't run the risk of ruining characters at all (even if this is unlikely). At some point you'll just converge on some large number like 48 hours or something. It will also make it so you get there faster, making short one or two jump trips more likely.

2) Why not extend JF range to 10km, but reduce the bonus for their timers? It seems like it might solve some of the logistical concerns people have without breaking the mechanic. Is this something that has been considered? and if so, why was it shot down?

A lot of people will probably stop building them because now ater being fixed they are even more useless and less desirable than they were before, that your impact. As for the actual construction of them , yeah same boat really since moving the goods will be so much harder and reprocessed modules was nerfed too

I intentionally waited before opening this thread. I knew that it would extract some moisture from a few tear ducts, and I, for one, was not disappointed!!

Let's get one thing straight, I fly Carriers, JF's, and Blops. I primarily live in Null although I have been have been more active in empire the past few weeks due to "business".

I don't understand what all the fuss is about with the jump fatigue and lowering the range of jump drives. I mean I have literally been forced feed these force projection rants, which have increased exponentially the past year or so. I have read and hear time and time from the opinions of players about CCP's inability and/or unwilliness to address issues in this wonderful game, most notable being this term "force projection". Well, guess what? They are doing something about it, but as with most things that happen in this community, "Your damned if you do, and your damned if you don't".

I do believe that Blops should be relooked, as in possibly having their fatigue lowered, as to be in line with their typical role, and provide contrast among the other Jump capable ships out there, HOWEVER, if it's not and I gotta wait out a timer then that is just another obstacle that must be overcome in developing the strategy of how muh' fleet gets all assassins creed on yours and then get out before your day late and a dollar short fleet gets spun up.

So if you are one of the pilots that can't adapt to change, and since you clearly feel that these changes will make jump capable ships worthless, I will take them off of your hands and I won't charge you a penny.

I have a somewhat different suggestion as to how force projection and jump fatigue might be approached. hear me out:

instead of nerfing all combat capitals to 5LY at max skills, leave their ranges untouched. Let the Jump fatigue mechanic be a modifier that directly reduces the effective value of the pilot's JDC skill level, with the possibility of the effective value going negative, whereby a given ship will suffer a shorter jump range than if the pilot had no JDC skill points. this reduction would begin after the SECOND jump... the amount of reduction in JDC = number of jumps/2. of course, there would be a recovery time to get the effective JDC back up to normal, which would be equal to the distance jumped in minutes, is cumulative and includes the distance of the FIRST jump. regen time would be modified by ship class, with blops and JFs having the fastest recovery times, and titans the slowest.

example... nidhoggur pilot with JDC 5 makes a round trip of 20 LY in 2 jump... out and back. the first jump incurs a regen time of 10 minutes (in this example, lets assume a ship class modifier of 1 for simplicity), but JDC is unaffected on the first leg. he stops at the outbound destination to pickup some ships for transport, taking 2 minutes (reducing regen to 8 minutes), and immediately jumps back to the start system... regen time goes to 18 minutes, and his effective JDC skill drops to 4. if he makes enough jumps in a short period of time, he could end up in a situation where his JDC skill drops below zero, and his effective range becomes a small fraction of what it would normally be for a substantial (but not insane) amount of time. bridging ships would be affected similarly for every ship they bridge, the distance, and the class of each, but as most such bridges are of much smaller ships, the cumulative penalties would be manageable with appropriate modifiers for the ship classes.

here's the kicker though: I would actually prefer it if the JDC penalty were applied to the HULL and not the pilot himself, so as to discourage the use of ferry alts (treat it as a kind of overheating damage that subsides over time, but doesnt prevent trading a ship in station). also, jump fatigue could be used to negatively affect other aspects of ship performance in much the same way as drug side-effects. I would even consider the potential for a misjump to an unintended destination system anywhere within the ships maximum JDC range as a possible risk of a negative JDC value (the lulz that could be had... drunk nidhoggur pilot lands somewhere he NEVER intended).

I think this approach would be a much better choice for making eve a bit bigger, while not making capitals completely useless in long-range force projection - you can still travel substantial distances rapidly, but go out too far, too fast and you'll be REALLY feeling it on the trip back.

You are absolutely right! This causes localization and makes it much easier for sov holders (that will be able to keep their plot of land) to defend it. Of course this goes against what CCP is trying to do but that's what it is going to happen. The change will also cause demand for mats to build caps to fall, so a lot of high sec industry guys are gonna get kicked in the ***. And this will in turn cause markets to severely inflate. How would you feel about paying T2 prices for a T1 ship? (Ok, maybe it won't be that bad but its gonna get ugly). And when CCP re-introduced Caps to High Sec again? Well, I wonder just how many High Sec corps actually have pilots that can fly caps well? When a 30 man cap fleet shows up to take theirs POS' will they be able to defend against that force?

Whilst this change will be good for us, not so for everyone else. This is a **** idea, period. So by saying this you are shooting your self in the foot once per character you have.

I would just laugh. Instalock carrier? :).

all I want to know is..where the hell are my firesale caps at? Not seeing market slumps or buy/sell going of the hook

All you emo rage quiting players need to keep your promises and firesail your stuff off in the process.