Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How does the skill queue add content? Because once you learn how to properly use the skill queue, you don't miss out on SP. Prior to the skill queue, once your skill was done you either logged on right then to change it or you stopped training until you next logged on. I couldn't guess how many SP short I am from all the time pre-queue that I just didn't want to get up, when my alarm went off at 2:30 in the ******* morning, just to change a skill. Or maybe I was at work, without the ability to log into EvE, so there's several hours of no training til I can get home and change my skill train.

The only reason you think this is an awful mechanic is because you have no clue what the system was before the queue. Without that comparison, you don't have the necessary knowledge to come to an informed opinion, you just don't like it.

1) I just recently, within the last month, started an alt down a new career path. That meant I needed to train 8 different skills that I didn't already have. The skill queue allowed me to get a full day's training in without having to log off the other alt I was using on that account, and let me get a full night's sleep without having to set my alarm to change skills.
2) Again, shows you're too young in this game to have an informed opinion. Bittervets are always making new alts, which start the same place you did.
3) So what if armor compensation takes 1d 7h to train. Log on for 2 minutes in 8 hours, set a level 5 skill in the queue, and put some SP into those long trains til you log on again.

Lastly, I see no problems with a mechanic that forces people to play the ******* game. Many times over the years I have logged in to change skills, even change my queue, and ended up spending several hours in fleet cause something was happening that I'd have missed if I didn't log on for weeks at a time.

I somewhat understand the need for this (because I think most of the people that have problems with the skill queue simply don't like logging in to manage the queue), but this proposal totally negates attributes and the important decision making involved in that.

So my counter proposal:

Allow the queue to continue accruing SP after it has run out, but only at 765 SP/hr for an empty queue. Unless my math is wrong, 765 SP/hr is half the rate of training with your worst-mapped attributes without implants. This way diligent people are rewarded for taking the time to plan properly, allows people who legitimately can't log in to not be completely screwed, and doesn't allow

I wish I had your problem.

I have characters I haven't logged into in a month and a half and it will still be another 15 days before i need to inject the next skill. I'm not even sure what got into my head to train a bunch of capital pilots. I hardly ever use them. But there you go.

Mr Epeen

yeah its stupid when something happens in RL and I cant log in for a day or two...

I think the queue should be a month, when acc unsubs the training stops anyway after 3 days..

Effort is expended in the form of subscription fees. And, if needs be, it could be restricted to only those that subscribe not plex their account.

Also, who cares about the character bazaar in a game that's over 10 years old? should we really limit the game for people because you think it adds a challenge for those that sell characters? That's a terrible reason.

why do you think SP would be the same banana?

You realise different skills have separate primary and secondary attributes right?

My concern is about wasted SP due to nothing training. I believe if you're paying a subscription, the points should accumulate. If attributes adjust that amount based on the skill in training, then let the SP accumulate at an unmodified rate - at least that is something.

I'd like to keep my subscriptions (I dual box) going during extended periods where I cannot play. Currently, I'll just unsubscribe then probably won't come back for an even longer time. I'd rather CCP have my money and I feel like I haven't wasted it - then everyone is happy - except for bitter vets; they're never happy.

Wait a sec... Are you saying you got arrested and used your phone call to instruct someone else to update your skill queue? I admire your priorities.

I say that the only real and serious objection to this would be is that it robs the player of objective scale of "skill difficulty" factor or something. The idea that its, a choice between keeping your sub and having to log on every so often by having to check evemon or just not, is true. I pretty much made an alt once, and forgot about it, to later promise myself to not do that again as it is a waste. I totally support this.

I don't think that having free sp drip is difficult to change to. It actually does give the idea that you're quite simply paying for your char, but thinking otherwise just because it's a challenge of queing up things rather than not isn't entirely worth it. Thread starter should report some of the posts as they're not constructive. A compromise of CCP being responsible by letting SP retranslate into free SP once que is empty is probably sounds better than making it appear as if you're just trading in sp for $.

Another thing to consider is if the thing turns into players just reselling chars with free sp into more isk. If I had to guess is that with chars being traded, it sort of becomes a massive drain on capital within game with 2 plex transfer costs. Although that increases price of plex, so another win for the CCP? To support the argument further the plex increased in price to 800 from 500-600 something with introduction of multiple char training on same account, with CCP going I like and removing limit of only 2 char training, and probably just advertising the future by making multiple char training license which just goes for same price as plex. Well with that more people will go into just skilling an alternative char. Id love to have a discussion on economic reprecussions of this, other than CCP should like this.

Just extending the que (by having it switch of to something else) isn't engaging enough for it to feel like content, as newer players may choose to go with that. Receiving reduced amount of SP rather than average will not have the affect I described above, although it does encourage participation or role-playing. Another reprecusion of this would be that it will have negative impact on remapping, to this end if we were to receive say 1800 sp/hr or 2200 if you have your implants, maybe still factor in the remapping accordingly as if you were training the said skills. Doesn't make the remapping absolutely redundant.

Woot!

Somebody up there must be listening to me.