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The Null Deal: A Statement from Sovereign Nullsec

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#621 - 2014-10-01 09:47:48 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
There is one aspect of this proposal that is not explored: what if the proposal isn't some underhanded manipulation to serve the signatories, but indeed a honest attempt to help the little guys enter nullsec.

We have statistics that only 10% of the WoW population raided in heroic difficulty (killed one boss), so the hardest WoW content still retained some exclusivity and requires some skills to complete.

In EVE, 60-80K pilots are in nullsec alliances and renters. That's already over 20% of the accounts. Allowing even more "little guys" (scrubs) to nullsec by nerfs would make the "Dark PvP Game (TM)" literally much easier than WoW.

Do you honestly want players who failed in WoW to come to EVE because it's easier? Should we get to the point when WoW raiders yell at people who failed "go back to EVE"?

The moment you realize this isn't WoW, is the moment you stop being a joke...

...
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#622 - 2014-10-01 10:04:10 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Could the need of occupying sov space to claim ownership not simply be avoided by multiboxing?


And it'll be lost just as easily due to how horribly you can multibox in PvP.


Using "multibox" was perhaps not the correct word. Using multiple characters is what I mean. Most players have numerous characters and can easily afford many more. Spreading them out over the area you need to "occupy" might make it very easy to keep the area occupied.
Sally Hermoine
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#623 - 2014-10-01 10:05:56 UTC
No disrespect but Gevlon is a bumbling idiot every idea/post he has is just an extension of the mad mans imagination.

I like the changes, not sure about NPC Nullsec being in place everywhere, they would just allow power projection with the major coalitions who will simply select certain ones as lilly pad Cyno zones.

Also the occupation idea is great everyone wins Blocs get nerfed in size renters can still rent but dont need multiple systems and new forces can try and take some space , assuming they don't get blobbed out which will probably happen but lifes not meant to be easy right? BUT i would not like a one system to become Uber amazing in its farming ability just because there a gazillion people working the farms, that would not be good for nullsec.

Also can we have player built stargate Turrets that would be so cool
Regatto
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#624 - 2014-10-01 10:19:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Regatto
If I may have one stupid question...

All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve

Something like this would be sufficient:

1. No alliance signed below will create coalition consisting of more than 3 alliances. Nor will it maintain blue standings with more than these 2 alliances. This doesn't apply to alt corps/small groups up to 200members.

2. In case that another coalition larger than mentioned is forming, all the signed groups will create temporary alliance to take this group down.


This is ofcourse just hard sketch, numbers can different, it can be longer. This is just proof that CCP isn't only one who can save null sec. If these so called leaders would really want to save null, they could be able to do it. But this is something they would never sign for.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#625 - 2014-10-01 10:35:03 UTC
Regatto wrote:
If I may have one stupid question...

All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve

Something like this would be sufficient:

1. No alliance signed below will create coalition consisting of more than 3 alliances. Nor will it maintain blue standings with more than these 2 alliances. This doesn't apply to alt corps/small groups up to 200members.

2. In case that another coalition larger than mentioned is forming, all the signed groups will create temporary alliance to take this group down.


This is ofcourse just hard sketch, numbers can different, it can be longer. This is just proof that CCP isn't only one who can save null sec. If these so called leaders would really want to save null, they could be able to do it. But this is something they would never sign for.


Because that does nothing to address the issue of grinding through ten of millions of ehp & how it currently takes 7 days of winning every single timer fight.

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KatanTharkay
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#626 - 2014-10-01 10:35:56 UTC  |  Edited by: KatanTharkay
Regatto wrote:
If I may have one stupid question...

All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve

Something like this would be sufficient:

1. No alliance signed below will create coalition consisting of more than 3 alliances. Nor will it maintain blue standings with more than these 2 alliances. This doesn't apply to alt corps/small groups up to 200members.

2. In case that another coalition larger than mentioned is forming, all the signed groups will create temporary alliance to take this group down.


This is ofcourse just hard sketch, numbers can different, it can be longer. This is just proof that CCP isn't only one who can save null sec. If these so called leaders would really want to save null, they could be able to do it. But this is something they would never sign for.

Hahahaha, well said! Add
3. None of the signatares will agree on non-aggression BOTLORD accords. We strongly believe that 0.0 should be a place of conflict not a safe heaven for ISK generation and supercap accumulation. If another coalition does it, see point 2.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#627 - 2014-10-01 10:38:06 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Could the need of occupying sov space to claim ownership not simply be avoided by multiboxing?


And it'll be lost just as easily due to how horribly you can multibox in PvP.


Using "multibox" was perhaps not the correct word. Using multiple characters is what I mean. Most players have numerous characters and can easily afford many more. Spreading them out over the area you need to "occupy" might make it very easy to keep the area occupied.


The idea is that sitting afk in space or docked won't stop sov from decaying. You will have to actually do thing. What those things are is what CCP needs to work out.

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Regatto
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#628 - 2014-10-01 11:00:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Regatto
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Regatto wrote:
If I may have one stupid question...

All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve

Something like this would be sufficient:

1. No alliance signed below will create coalition consisting of more than 3 alliances. Nor will it maintain blue standings with more than these 2 alliances. This doesn't apply to alt corps/small groups up to 200members.

2. In case that another coalition larger than mentioned is forming, all the signed groups will create temporary alliance to take this group down.


This is ofcourse just hard sketch, numbers can different, it can be longer. This is just proof that CCP isn't only one who can save null sec. If these so called leaders would really want to save null, they could be able to do it. But this is something they would never sign for.


Because that does nothing to address the issue of grinding through ten of millions of ehp & how it currently takes 7 days of winning every single timer fight.


Ofcourse not, but it would still bring life back to null while ccp figures out new sov mechanics that work. It would create fights on every corner. Fights that are fun between smaller groups, with couple of hundred pilots and without 10% tidi. Anyone in null sec warfare can agree that fight between 500 dudes is more fun than 2500.

Honestly I know this won't happen, cause its obvious that ppl like Vince are egomaniacs that just want to hoard power and isk(lets wonder why). So basically, even though they have power, they won't do anything about it. They will rather have their members run around eve and dunk on some hopeless groups like provi to keep their pilots "entertained" and quiet.
Anthar Thebess
#629 - 2014-10-01 11:03:33 UTC
What CCP must , is to stop working of stuff that is not related to fixing nullsec.
Putting some stuff to game is nice , but att the same time those are work hours spent on stuff that will not persuade people to login again.

What is more important :
- i will not login and undock , as i cannot name clones.
- i will not login and undock , as nothing is happening and eve is boring.

Recent changes are nice , but again they do not bring us any closer to solving current player retention issues.

The same goes for the module re balance.

Who think that putting dozens or hundreds of work hours in a project that will reduce number of modules , while changing almost nothing will make more players to login?

This time will be simply wasted at this point.
Right now we loose 1000 accounts per month , owners of those accounts just don't care to login any more.
How many of "still active" people just login to update skills or update some passive operations , like PL.

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#630 - 2014-10-01 11:05:10 UTC
Regatto wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Regatto wrote:
If I may have one stupid question...

All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve

Something like this would be sufficient:

1. No alliance signed below will create coalition consisting of more than 3 alliances. Nor will it maintain blue standings with more than these 2 alliances. This doesn't apply to alt corps/small groups up to 200members.

2. In case that another coalition larger than mentioned is forming, all the signed groups will create temporary alliance to take this group down.


This is ofcourse just hard sketch, numbers can different, it can be longer. This is just proof that CCP isn't only one who can save null sec. If these so called leaders would really want to save null, they could be able to do it. But this is something they would never sign for.


Because that does nothing to address the issue of grinding through ten of millions of ehp & how it currently takes 7 days of winning every single timer fight.


Ofcourse not, but it would still bring life back to null while ccp figures out new sov mechanics that work. It would create fights on every corner. Fights that are fun between smaller groups, with couple of hundred pilots and without 10% tidi. Anyone in null sec warfare can agree that fight between 500 dudes is more fun than 2500.

Honestly I know this won't happen, cause its obvious that ppl like Vince are egomaniacs that just want to hoard power and isk(lets wonder why). So basically, even though they have power, they won't do anything about it. They will rather have their members run around eve and dunk on some hopeless groups like provi to keep their pilots "entertained" and quiet.

If CCP keeps their word on serious nerfs to Power Projection within the coming weeks.

We will see a serious shift in Nullsec power...

...
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#631 - 2014-10-01 11:05:51 UTC
Regatto wrote:
All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve

Something like this would be sufficient:


because noone of them will weaken his own position. This is like you would ask to not bring as many people to the fight to make it fair.
Regatto
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#632 - 2014-10-01 11:14:08 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Regatto wrote:
All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve

Something like this would be sufficient:


because noone of them will weaken his own position. This is like you would ask to not bring as many people to the fight to make it fair.


yeah or asking them to play this game for fun instead of politics, power and money.

as I said, I dont believe this would happened :P ALthought if I remember correctly something similiar occured once, when DRF formed pretty much just to take down old NC, but that was for slightly different reasons.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#633 - 2014-10-01 11:15:11 UTC
Regatto wrote:


All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve


Because they didn't break the game, they simply did what the mechanics dictated. Nobody is going to shoot themselves in both feet.
KatanTharkay
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#634 - 2014-10-01 11:21:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Regatto wrote:


All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve


Because they didn't break the game, they simply did what the mechanics dictated. Nobody is going to shoot themselves in both feet.

Why not give it a try, discuss this among yourselves and see what can be done. You guys already have 2 agreements, BOTLORD and NullSec Manifesto. It has more chances to do something good for EVE rather than asking CCP to do it. It's a sandbox, it's up to the players to make the game fun or boring.
Regatto
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#635 - 2014-10-01 11:24:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Regatto wrote:


All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve


Because they didn't break the game, they simply did what the mechanics dictated. Nobody is going to shoot themselves in both feet.


Mechanics? what I just said would bypass these mechanics. But then again, third time, for this to happen they would need to want make this game fun, and voluntarily give up big of their power. Although they would still remain dominant parts of null sec probably.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#636 - 2014-10-01 11:28:37 UTC
one of biggest appeals of this game was originally the cut throat universe, exploiting everything to your advantage and taking any little chance to stab your enemy in the back and take his land. What you're asking for is a complete change of mentality of the game, where people are responsible to make it fair all of the sudden because mechanics lead them into a dead end.
That wouldn't be eve-like anymore, I wonder who would want to play this for any longer time once CCP refuses to fix their game and bring back a dark cut throat universe upon players.
JIeoH Mocc
brotherhood of desman
#637 - 2014-10-01 11:29:27 UTC  |  Edited by: JIeoH Mocc
baltec1 wrote:
Regatto wrote:


All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve


Because they didn't break the game, they simply did what the mechanics dictated. Nobody is going to shoot themselves in both feet.


Bull*excrement*.
You keep blaming that on the mechanics, as if there's ANY set of applicable rules that can simultaneously discourage your kind from bunching up and carebearing in peace forever (all the while whining about no content) AND keep the game a sandbox.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#638 - 2014-10-01 11:31:41 UTC
JIeoH Mocc wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Regatto wrote:


All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve


Because they didn't break the game, they simply did what the mechanics dictated. Nobody is going to shoot themselves in both feet.


Bull*excrement*.
You keep blaming that on the mechanics, as if there's ANY set of applicable rules that can simultaneously discourage your kind from bunching up and carebearing in peace forever (all the while whining about no content) AND keep the game a sandbox.



Tell me, if you had access to a fleet that is impossible for anyone else to kill would you not use it?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#639 - 2014-10-01 11:37:40 UTC
KatanTharkay wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Regatto wrote:


All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve


Because they didn't break the game, they simply did what the mechanics dictated. Nobody is going to shoot themselves in both feet.

Why not give it a try, discuss this among yourselves and see what can be done. You guys already have 2 agreements, BOTLORD and NullSec Manifesto. It has more chances to do something good for EVE rather than asking CCP to do it. It's a sandbox, it's up to the players to make the game fun or boring.


We would wind up defeated and you would be bitching at a new empire to do the same. You don't fix the game by asking people to not use all of the tools at their disposal.
Eyrun Mangeiri
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#640 - 2014-10-01 11:38:35 UTC
JIeoH Mocc wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Regatto wrote:


All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve


Because they didn't break the game, they simply did what the mechanics dictated. Nobody is going to shoot themselves in both feet.


Bull*excrement*.
You keep blaming that on the mechanics, as if there's ANY set of applicable rules that can simultaneously discourage your kind from bunching up and carebearing in peace forever (all the while whining about no content) AND keep the game a sandbox.


People want to play to win and still have a fair game with interesting fights and stuff to do. People will always use what the game allows them to use to win, the same thing as in every single game ever.

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