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CCP gety your stuff together

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Madaf Tokila
Still Animals
#1 - 2014-09-29 21:31:43 UTC
Dear GM's, Devs, Ops, etc, etc

I know that you all work hard to give us as less pain as possible from the constant DDOSes eve gets.
But isnt there anything you can do about it? Upgrading bandwidth's, get dedicated DDOS protection, anything?!

This aint fun anymore, every evening we are struck by this and it comes to a point where me and others dont go out on roams anymore because we know the DC is going to wreck us... And if it aint us who doesnt roam because of this, its the other groups and or carebears. So this all is killing for the content creation.

Please do something, I aint paying CCP for having a DC every evening!!!
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#2 - 2014-09-29 21:34:32 UTC
Madaf Tokila wrote:

But isnt there anything you can do about it?


Yes, I'm sure there's plenty they could be doing about it and they're just not, in the hopes that f**ktards like you will quit. Roll

ibtl

\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project

Solecist Project
#3 - 2014-09-29 21:35:47 UTC
Not every evening.
Yesterday there was none.

:p
d:

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#4 - 2014-09-29 21:37:05 UTC
Madaf Tokila wrote:
dedicated DDOS protection


If CCP knew how to do that, they'd quit running EVE and make 10x more money selling that.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#5 - 2014-09-29 21:37:30 UTC
Madaf Tokila wrote:
Dear GM's, Devs, Ops, etc, etc

I know that you all work hard to give us as less pain as possible from the constant DDOSes eve gets.
But isnt there anything you can do about it? Upgrading bandwidth's, get dedicated DDOS protection, anything?!

This aint fun anymore, every evening we are struck by this and it comes to a point where me and others dont go out on roams anymore because we know the DC is going to wreck us... And if it aint us who doesnt roam because of this, its the other groups and or carebears. So this all is killing for the content creation.

Please do something, I aint paying CCP for having a DC every evening!!!



Learn how the internet works. The answer is no. There is nothing they can do.

They can mitigate the issue with more bandwidth but that needs a lot more money. And if companies like google can be DDoS'd then that should tell you there is nothing they can do.

A DDoS attack it typically a ping or other type of flood. You send more info then the bandwidth can hold and it causes the network to choke. This is like complaining that a street is flooding because of heavy rain and asking your city to do something about it. They can't. As it doesn't matter how much bandwidth you get, big botnets will just add more bots and flood you with more.
if ccp could fix this, they would be rich beyond compare. As then EVERY company in the world would want the technology. So no, they can't fix it. And even if they are adding more bandwidth, its not they flip on a switch and boom you have more. They have to lay new cables, and upgrade infrastructure. Again cost money. Just deal with it.

on and ib4l

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Madaf Tokila
Still Animals
#6 - 2014-09-29 21:38:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Madaf Tokila
Solecist Project wrote:
Not every evening.
Yesterday there was none.:


Well, maybe not every.
But 5 out of 7 days is pretty much every day to me :(


RubyPorto wrote:
Madaf Tokila wrote:
dedicated DDOS protection


If CCP knew how to do that, they'd quit running EVE and make 10x more money selling that.


That aint new...
Google it: "ddos mitigation service"


DaReaper wrote:

Learn how the internet works. The answer is no. There is nothing they can do.

They can mitigate the issue with more bandwidth but that needs a lot more money. And if companies like google can be DDoS'd then that should tell you there is nothing they can do.


You ever heard of google being down due to a DDOS?!
Solecist Project
#7 - 2014-09-29 21:50:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Madaf Tokila wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Not every evening.
Yesterday there was none.:


Well, maybe not every.
But 5 out of 7 days is pretty much every day to me :(


RubyPorto wrote:
Madaf Tokila wrote:
dedicated DDOS protection


If CCP knew how to do that, they'd quit running EVE and make 10x more money selling that.


That aint new...
Google it: "ddos mitigation service"


DaReaper wrote:

Learn how the internet works. The answer is no. There is nothing they can do.

They can mitigate the issue with more bandwidth but that needs a lot more money. And if companies like google can be DDoS'd then that should tell you there is nothing they can do.


You ever heard of google being down due to a DDOS?!

So you believe CCP simply doesn't care and rather wants to lose players?

Or do you admit that you were simply in a state of rant when you created this thread
and that you are completely unreasonable about this?


Google is not one huge serverfarm like TQ.
Google has no permanent connections.
Google can afford multiple huge serverfarms easily.

Stop forming opinions when you have no clue about the matter.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Charles Muffins
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-09-29 21:53:26 UTC
ERROR MESSAGE UNDELIVERABLE (CCP ERROR CODE 8384916): We're currently kicking servers and jiggling plugs, we'll fix it later...
Bernie Nator
Allspark Industries
Transformographagizers
#9 - 2014-09-29 21:54:51 UTC
Fun fact: there is a thread stating that CCP is searching for bigger better servers. I'd go looking for it, but I'm at work and there's a handy little search bar up in the corner there. Good luck!
Madaf Tokila
Still Animals
#10 - 2014-09-29 21:59:14 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

Google is not one huge serverfarm like TQ.
Google has no permanent connections.
Google can afford multiple huge serverfarms easily.

Stop forming opinions when you have no clue about the matter.


If you pay for something that doesnt work like it should, what do you do?
Whatever I have a clue or not, does it really matter?!
Marc Durant
#11 - 2014-09-29 22:02:56 UTC
OP, stop being a clueless **** clown. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Yes, yes I am. Thanks for noticing.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#12 - 2014-09-29 22:03:00 UTC
Madaf Tokila wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Not every evening.
Yesterday there was none.:


Well, maybe not every.
But 5 out of 7 days is pretty much every day to me :(


RubyPorto wrote:
Madaf Tokila wrote:
dedicated DDOS protection


If CCP knew how to do that, they'd quit running EVE and make 10x more money selling that.


That aint new...
Google it: "ddos mitigation service"


DaReaper wrote:

Learn how the internet works. The answer is no. There is nothing they can do.

They can mitigate the issue with more bandwidth but that needs a lot more money. And if companies like google can be DDoS'd then that should tell you there is nothing they can do.


You ever heard of google being down due to a DDOS?!


yes actually. But this was back in like 00/02, yahoo and google all stopped dead for 1 hour due to ddos

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#13 - 2014-09-29 22:04:26 UTC


do you geta refund if the raid makes it so you can't watch tv?

do you get a refund if your car has a blow out on the freeway?

do you get a refund if your shoes start to wear down?

if your isp is down for a few hours, do you get a refund?

I sure as hell dont'

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Madaf Tokila
Still Animals
#14 - 2014-09-29 22:10:10 UTC
DaReaper wrote:


do you geta refund if the raid makes it so you can't watch tv?

do you get a refund if your car has a blow out on the freeway?

do you get a refund if your shoes start to wear down?

if your isp is down for a few hours, do you get a refund?

I sure as hell dont'



Wait, where did I ask for a refund?

Tara Ro
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-09-29 22:10:44 UTC
It's not true that there is nothing CCP can do. How much it will cost them is unknown.

But taking a glance at Cisco's (a major network hardware provider) white paper on DDoS, it lists some of the ways to mitigate an attack (for the nerds):

Stateful Devices, Route Filtering Techniques, Unicast Reverse Path Forwarding, Geographic Dispersion (Global Resources Anycast), Tightening Connection Limits and Timeouts, Reputation-Based Blocking, Access Control Lists, DDoS Run Books, Manual Responses to DDoS Attacks and Traffic Scrubbing and Diversion.

http://www.cisco.com/web/about/security/intelligence/guide_ddos_defense.html

I think CCP is already starting to implement some of these.

By the way, those doing these DDoS attacks are probably reading these forums. Please stop giving them your tears. How about denying them that satisfaction and maybe even re-subbing...
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#16 - 2014-09-29 22:13:53 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Madaf Tokila wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Madaf Tokila wrote:
dedicated DDOS protection


If CCP knew how to do that, they'd quit running EVE and make 10x more money selling that.


That aint new...
Google it: "ddos mitigation service"


Yes. And most defenses are not enormously effective for trying to defend a server located in a single location while still allowing a large number of time sensitive connections from a wide variety of locations. Because that legitimate traffic looks very much like the illegitimate traffic.

Google mitigates DDOSes by employing several techniques that are simply unavailable to CCP. For example, you don't care *which* server processes your Google search, but I'm pretty sure you care about logging into TQ rather than SISI.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2014-09-29 22:15:28 UTC
They're working securing more duck tape atm. Last DDOS burned through most of it.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#18 - 2014-09-29 22:19:17 UTC
Madaf Tokila wrote:
If you pay for something that doesnt work like it should, what do you do?

Question 1: can you afford the alternatives? If not, you are stuck.
Question 2: can you stop the thing that is making your product not work? If not, you are stuck.

Oh wait... you are referring to EVE itself and not serverfarms, right?
If you quit because something is not working 100% right due to someone else's interference... you have basically validated the whole point behind the interference and give "power" to it.


Here's another way to look at it... think back to the time when gaming first started to venture online. Treat each time you log in as you would if you were still playing with a 56k dial-up modem. Adapt your gameplay around that.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#19 - 2014-09-29 22:20:58 UTC
The OP is clearly working with the D-Dos people. By posting as a "normal" player suffering he is in fact increasing CCP's vulnerability to ransom attacks and extortion.

I'm a critical person. When something is "clearly wrong" I will rage like I raged with Incarna.

But I will not succumb. I will not allow a criminal to destroy a game I like or it's producer.

You've been made OP. I see you for what you are. Leave this game and CCP alone!
Voxinian
#20 - 2014-09-29 22:48:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Voxinian
Well at least CCP is on top of it and try it minimize the damage as much as possible. It's usually stalbe again after 30 to 60 minutes. Or the attacks just stop after some time, I don't know. I'm just glad that I can login again after a relative short time.
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