These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Ships & Modules

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
Previous page12
 

Tengu vs Frigates [PVE]
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Goose99
#21 - 2011-12-11 22:58:01 UTC
Dielax wrote:
i have almost 0 projectile skillz. i can use small auto cannons i think


Large AC don't take long to train, unless it's t2 large AC with its lvl5 prerequisites. You won't be using barrage pve anyway, since it lacks damage type selection, and Mach already has 75km range with t1/faction ammo plus high speed.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-12-11 23:07:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Kaanchana wrote:
did u by any chance mean HML? if so, CN missiles easily pop them frigs. But imo precision missiles are the best for frigs. It takes abt 6 volleys for a spider drone for me. and about the same for elite frigs..


2 T2 Rigors

1 T2 flare

T2 launchers

Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy missiles vs Spider Drones II takes me 3 volley and I'm far from being over skilled in missiles.

On bigger stuff just use T2 missiles.

Thing is that OP try to kill fast ships and small sign with Heavy Assault Missiles. Not good.
Heavy missiles everyday.
hiporiko
Hyena Capital Management
#23 - 2011-12-11 23:36:09 UTC
Goose99 wrote:


And only on kinetic rats. Without kinetic dmg bonus, it goes down to 500 dps. Tengu can blitz some missions faster due to speed, but that's only compared to typical BS, it's hard to justify when a Mach goes at the same speed.


Kinetic bonused ships wreak havoc against Gallente, Serpentis, Angels, Caldari, Guristas, Minmatar, and Mercenaries. Oh wait.. that's almost every enemy in the game.

Non kinetic faction ammo is good for over 500 deeps, with T2 being over 600. Keep telling yourself the Tengu isn't worth it, while people continue to make billions flying one with almost zero effort.
Sindjin Hawke
Distant Light Syndicate
#24 - 2011-12-12 13:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Sindjin Hawke
I love my Tengu. I use to fly a PVE Raven or a Passive Drake until I got into the Tengu... what a huge difference... I blow thru all LvL4's with ease. I fly in, immediately start burning away to maintain distance and target frigates first. The key to using the Tengu in PVE is speed and distance, thats why you want Heavy's vs. Heavy Assaults... nothing better than poppin those damn frigs from 90k.

EDIT: I Build my Tengu cheap too... no faction mods.
Mira Stargazer
Epic Warfare
#25 - 2011-12-12 20:19:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mira Stargazer
I'm only using HAM on the Tengu when running "Damsel in distress", in every other mission HML. I also have two rigors fitted, no probs killing the frigs.

EDIT: My Tengu is among the cheapest as well, mainly T2. Still running fine in any lvl4, don't give up on it.

I have feelings, I can smile - and murder while!
Dielax
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-12-19 05:39:03 UTC
I should note, that after a few skills upped a bit that things are looking much better. I think in another few weeks its going to be fun as hell to fly.

It tanks awesome. And now that the firepower is comming up a bit I think it was money well spent.
It is definatly quicker thank my Navy Scorpion which is now my 2nd favorite ship in game. Oops

Still using HAM's btw. With Javelins I can get 35km's. And a little under 20 with normal t2's. With how quick it is
and the fact that I just tank the whole room distance doesn't matter and flying around keeps me occupied
and distracts the boringness off endless lvl 4's!
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#27 - 2011-12-19 05:55:02 UTC
if you can kite the frig they will pulse their mwd to try and catch up to you (range is usually around 30km where they start to mwd), very easy to pop then, I usually don't bother swapping from Fury ammo for anything but a number of elite frigs. I assume that would be the only way to stay sane and use hams. my tengu uses a t2 rof and explosion velocity rigs, rather than rigors, so looking at that jav hams have better ex radius and slightly worse ex velocity, so it should work well.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#28 - 2012-01-02 03:25:18 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
BearJews wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
BearJews wrote:
Train a lot of skills, must have t2 ammo. Use HMLS, they are just better all around cause it can hit from 100km out with 700 dps easy sauce.


With twice the exp radius as t1 missile. And only on kinetic rats. Without kinetic dmg bonus, it goes down to 500 dps. Tengu can blitz some missions faster due to speed, but that's only compared to typical BS, it's hard to justify when a Mach goes at the same speed.



Ok, you are comparing a pirate ship that is twice as skill intensive and 3 times the hull cost and who knows how much you'll spend on faction mods. Also, the explosion radius means absolutely nothing in your point. WIth good skills and a good fitting and good implants(t2 rigos, t2flares...a standard for PvE tengu) you will be hitting those rats at FULL. IN Angel Extravaganza i'm two hitting Bcs, 3 hitting frigs (with precision). Yeah sansha rats and missions suck, but you can easily skip those and i'm not really sure about this but i think you tend to get more of your races specific missions if you are in your factions space.

So i'm caldari and i run all my missions out of the citadel.


"Skill intensive" is a relative term. Mach does not require a single lvl5 skill to fly. Yes, it will have 5% less dps with BS at lvl4, and yes, it's still far more dps than tengu. For T3, you don't only have lvl5 racial Cruiser as prerequisite, but also a dozen lvl5 skills for 5 subsystems skills, such as electronics, engineering, missile operation/gunnery, shield operation, navigation, mechanics, etc. Their attributes are all over the place, not just perception/willpower, further increasing training time.


It is, but we come from different hoods. This toon is an all around pilot so the skills i trained for the tengu were vital. I'm moving onto the nightmare. But for the cost, the skills you train, and the speed you do a lot of missions it makes it easier for someone to purchase it and move there way up.
Previous page12