Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm opening this post, as there are none in F&I, but only in the devblog post where ccp do not take into account what we say.

The fact is, we will have (tomorrow) the start of the module tiericide. That's great after all !As "tiericide" match to "renaming", you (CCP) will rename our modules, fine, but not really the way it's going to be.
So, we'll speak about the names here, not the stats.

To remind you with some ideas :
- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=375576&find=unread
- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=375541

First of all, renaming modules to "adapt" the name to their use is nothing but useless: at the moment, there is "no naming convention" except putting some kind of informations to tell "this is an AC" or "this is an armor plate" well fine !.
After Oceanus, we'll start to have some prefix, why not, that will show and tell us what are the specifications of the meta module.

But, I see a major issue here : we are going to lose the deepness we had into the game, and the way the name are chosen at the moment are not helping for the "ease of understanding".
For us, players, it's not because you say "scoped module" that we'll think the item have more range bonus...

I'm agree with the fact we need renaming, the same way we can remove all the similar items in the games, but the new names need to stay in the EVE Scope, not being renamed as it would be done in any game such as WoW, LoL, etc.

So far, one the best idea I found is this one :


But, not to stop at this level, why don't you just harmonize naming in each group, instead of trying to get the same at all level :

Examples for launchers (example taken from patchnote, but it will also apply to any size):

Let's rename your "renamed modules" into this:
- Compact Light Missile Launcher => 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher
- Ample Light Missile Launcher => 'Malkuth' Light Missile Launcher

Let's imagine for projectile turret and we'll have something like:
- 800mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery (or Autocannon if you want)
- 800mm 'Prototype' Repeating Artillery
- 800mm 'Upgraded' Repeating Artillery

And so on.
You only need after to add a little info in the description telling people 'Scout' are for Range, Prototype for fit etc.

The idea is, set everything uniform within a group/category (all launchers, all shield hardener, all projectile turrets etc), but do not try to set something global, and keep the deepness of the game.

Thanks for reading. :)

@CCP: I think it's really sad that you didn't ask any feedback in F&I or in SiSi forums about the names...

I just want CP to redo all names to be "Module", "Module +1" "Module +1 [Acc]"

since ti would be a familiar naming scheme to the players they WANT to attract, and would give me a final reason to just say fuckit and unsub. havent seen anything worth **** happening on the horizon for EVE for a couple years now.

I feel free to copy my rant from there ... to this place.

Because somehow I believe no one of the devs will actually read it there anyway.

Not that I think they will read it here, but it doesn't hurt.

And it has a good, emotional point.

I'm on the side of keeping the old names here as I'm always for the story side of things above simplicity. However...it would make sense to keep the old names but rename the table column to 'nicname' or something similar and add in a new name column with the new definitions. Then give players the option to view SI names or nicknames for the modules in much the same way that the cannon on the A10 Warthog is either referred to as the GAU-8 or the Avenger...

If something being called 'Arbalest' is what's keeping you here then yeah, you're probably done with the game.

I fully agree with the author. Having read the suggested name changes made me very disappointed indeed . Scoped, compact, basic - all this is so casual and boring. This is a sci-fi environment and everyday items are a crucial part of it.

If we call:
Experimental TE-2100 Light Missile Launcher -> Ample Light Missile Launcher
Type-E Power Core Modification: Capacitor Flux -> ‘Basic’ Capacitor Flux Coil
Alpha Reactor Control: Reaction Control -> Basic Reactor Control Unit
Quantum Co-Processor I -> Upgraded Co-Processor
and so on where does this leave us? These new names are soooo ... pedestrian.

I know it might seem odd but things like these let us dive deep into EVE, lets immerse in its lore and feel like a part of it.

Whole is more than a sum of its parts. It is the content and what we put into it. And if one lessens or suffers the other diminishes also.

I feel like SCI-FI is being taken by this renaming. Suddenly Experimental TE-2100, Alpha Reactor or Quantum Co-Processor gains so much value. Meaning I did not understood a single word can have. And now, when it is being taken away I realise its importance, but I fear it is too late, and that makes me sad.

I urge CCP to reconsider or at least consult the public before making any further changes.

Regards,
Quetz

I hate the name changes, I absolutely hate it.

Not to mention the large removal of the many 'useless' meta versions we have.
Changed into the forever compact, restrained or other odd name.
Who wants to see every single module to be named the same?
Oh yeah, people who don't want to figure stuff out apparantly.

Why take away anather small piece of complexity from the game.
It ectually felt like having something mastered, or having achieved something ingame knowing
which named module was good or bad.
I wouldn't be suprised to see turrets named the same way soon.

Ample 425mm autocannon I
Ample heavy pulse laser I
Ample neutron blaster I

Where's the racial differences?
Not to mention the changes to light missile launchers.
Each launcher we had could've been changed into something special.
Arbalest for more range, Limos for better application, Malkuth for fitting and so on!

There is NO reason to remove the meta versions we had. They could've had their own strenghte, not outclassing t2 missile launchers. The variation and fitting possibility's would've become better instead of worse right now.

Or do we want to see frigates, upto battleships and capitals fitted with scoped or ample modules all the time?
Module tiericide +1
Naming and removal of large amount of modules -over9000

End of rant -miker

What I find funny is they rename stuff some didn't have an issue with (I do miss my arc-jets and hyrdrocarbon) yet wtf naming still exists. Why is spike lr ammo and javelin sr ammo comes to mind right away.

If we must potentially dumb down eve with easy naming....lets have a change that makes some sense to it (ie. fiip the ammo names around....since well when I hear javelin I think track and field athlete throwing one really far). No mods I really cared about on this pass through. Waiting to see what happens to my named ecm mods. And even then I foresee some snock sniffer going its upgraded not BZ-5 when older peeps like me post it. TO which I will reply old dog, new tricks, yada yada. I still call supercarriers mommies...as I just liked it better that way. Insert they might be giants song about Istanbul here if you'd like.....lol

Personally never saw anything wrong with the many older names. Arc jet was a common fotm named prop mod. So common you'd see it damn near every posted fit. If a player couldn't remember Arc jet in the minutes needed to go from the web to the market screen in eve, that was more a personal issue (with developing memory skills) they needed to resolve imo.

Now not completely in the anachronism for life club house...ccp did good with the implant renaming. Those were confusing as hell sometimes. mods though....ball dropped hard in my opinion.

+1 to this post.

+1

This "new" module naming is making EVE more bland, more dumbing down..