EVE General Discussion

Is it ok to post feedback on EVE (the game) and where is it ok to post feedback?

I ask because I recently read this page in F&ID that was discussing the coming nerf to LM in the next expansion. True, it wasn't an idea/feature thread. But maybe the page belongs to Test Server Feedback? In that case I think it would be appropriate, however this wouldn't be the case for all game related feedback because not all feedback on the game is going to be about future expansions. Sometimes feedback is about current issues.

Another reason why I ask is because the page was closed; Apparently the forum members were violating rule #31 of the forum. Fair enough. But why close the thread and shut down the discussion because of 1 or 2 posts? I only saw one persons name mentioned and its the name used in the Forum. Not real life. Makes me wonder if saying: "The people at CCP..." is ok. Why not have the ISD members clean/edit the posts and give out a warning? It is not reasonable to close the thread on such petty reasons.

F&I section is for you to propose new ideas and discuss them with other players. It is not there for feedback on announced changes. That feedback belongs to a specific feedback thread. Usually the one announcing the change in the first place. In this case the inteceptor tweaks thread, since there is no thread specific for the missile changes. The simple reason for that is to consolidate the feedback to a location easily accecable for the devs doing the changes and to prevent the numerous copy/spam threads on the same issue clogging up the forums.

The thread in question that was locked had no content, no feature and no ideas being proposed. It was a person venting with no constructive feedback. It's fine, if of low value in the proper feedback thread. It adds volume to the constructive negative feedback put forward by better posters. It however does not warrant its own thread in any way and was destined for a lock just as this thread is for discussing moderation. If you seriously want to discuss moderation, contact the community team don't post on the forum. The reasons given for the lock by the moderator might not contain every wrong thing with the thread, since any of the violations is a reason enough for the lock.

What if we want to be unhappy? What if what we see and are discussing MAKES us unhappy?
What if the point of the thread IS our unhappiness? That's the point of not having arbitrary judges.

As a new player, I often see threads closed for being duplicates etc. and I imagine these are topics that frequent the forum. However, I often don't know about those topics, haven't seen that discussion, and would benefit from reading it.

It is understandable that ISD locks some of these repetitive threads, but it also hurts me, as a new player, because there are topics I can't bring up, and the search mechanism on this forum software is ... limited.

I would like the ISD to link one or more of those old threads where they feel a topic has been hashed out in detail, if they are going to lock new ones. That way, at least I (and the original poster, and others) know where to look if we were interested in that topic.


These forums are not newbie-friendly. Doing the above would make it a bit better.

Two posts by two ISDs in a thread discussing moderation and it is not locked.

http://www.eve-search.com/

It's a 3rd party website run by a rather famous EVE player. Much better at getting the forum results you desire. Just take the time to try out multiple keywords so you get the best array of results.

Also... Google is your friend.

Constructive Feedback:
1. State your opinion.
2. Support your claims with reproducible evidence, screenshots, formulas, logical arguments, etc.
3. Suggest alternatives.
4. Support your alternatives with logical explanations, as well as point out any drawbacks you can think of.
5. Be polite.
6. A well written post is more likely to be read, discussed, responded to, and acted upon, than a rant.

Posts for feedback often have "feedback" in the title, or begin with a dev post soliciting feedback.

Example:

* Dev blog comments, often lead to threads in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum.

* Major releases usually have two threads in EVE Information Portal forum. Example: Hyperion Issues and Hyperion Feedback.

* The CSM Assembly Hall forum can be another place to bring-up major proposals that may need to be supported to be accepted.

I think to date I've had two features I championed implemented (one cosmetic suggestion was later reversed), not including many dev blog improvement suggestions (I like to consider CCP Punkturis and CCP Masterplan my finest dev blog pupils, though they have both far exceeded anything I could have thought of, and have been spreading the gospel to others at CCP).

Example of good feedback:
[Hyperion Feedback Thread] Mass-Based Spawn Distance After WH Jumps

Ok so ccp are nerfing light missiles because they believe back in retribution they buffed them 2 much.

Here's the buff, ...

Light missile changes: ◦ Explosion velocity reduced from 50 to 40 ◦
Damage has been increased by 10% (rounded to the closest digit) ◦
Light missile launcher fitting requirements have been reduced by 2 powergrid and 4 CPU

A 10% increase in damage in retribution, so with the pending 6.66% reduction in ROF in Oceanus for light
missile launchers wouldn't this put light missile launchers in a worse position then pre-retribution.

suggestion don't nerf ROF.

I wish to make a statement since CCP decided to make a unilateral judgement against me and more than a few have also decided to share that judgement. I have a point maybe I cannot cite every possible number and figure but the fact remains they continue to nerf missiles over almost all other weapon systems. But my issue for that topic was they chose to close it citing abuse I don't see it that way I feel strongly that they do infact need to work on other aspect of the game instead of continuing to beat the dead horse that is the missiles. I feel this way because when I aquired this pilot (through legit means via the character bazaar following all rules related to character sells) he was a t3 heavy missile tengu pilot. Since then I trained him further into missiles because I like how they work. Then all of a sudden they nerfed heavy missiles. Ok so that means I had to go back to the drawing board and train Heavy assault missiles. And since I wanted to pvp light missiles and rockets. Well now light missiles are being nerfed and thank god I trained into gunnery because otherwise I would be a pvp pilot with no viable weapon systems to fall back on. I do also feel the point needed to be made within the particular section of the forum because its not just an idea that needs addressing going forward into the future it is also an idea that has been abused in the past in my opinion by ccp. Today I hope all the pilots who enjoy their missiles will come forward and support the idea that they should work to balance the game and not just one weapon system into oblivion. Also since I think I wandered off topic if they wanted to cite a rule against a rant to close it fine but they didn't. They specifically cited abuse.

***I also wish to point out that the topic in question generated not hate but an actually honest to goodness conversation related to the missiles. And that even if its starting point could be claimed as less than optimal its growth and life became something constructive until that is its untimely end.

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