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Cloaking and a Counter against it ?

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Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#21 - 2014-09-26 21:40:37 UTC
First!

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Paikis wrote:
This thread comes up on almost a weekly basis. In fact, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a nerf cloaking thread in the first 2 pages on this forum section. Almost every single one of them goes like this:

1. OP posts a post with a new (lol) idea that always boils down to some variation of the following:
- "There's a big meanie who is sitting in my system and not doing anything, but I don't know where he is and I can't ever just go next door. I can't find said meanie and even though I know that he's probably at work and poses no threat at all, I wont do anything in my system that I absolutely can't leave ever because he might not be at work and I might lose a ship. CCP please stop the meanie from being able to do nothing to me because he's probably at work"

2. Thread gets trolled because its been done literally to death. This horse has been beaten so hard and so often that it's little more than a memory of a memory of a red smear on the grass, and yet it STILL WONT DIE! In fact it's been done so many times that this particular horse is now undead; even if it does die, it will still be remembered and parodied.

3. Someone comes along and suggests that AFK cloakers can't hurt you, because they are, by their very definition, AFK. No one ever lost a ship to someone who ISN'T PLAYING THE GAME.

4. Someone else comes along and points out that while the cloaker might be AFK, he might not be, and so we have Schrodinger's Hot Dropper. The cyno pilot who might be AFK... but he might not be as well, and you will only know for sure when he decloaks, points and lights his candle. (Yes, I know this isn't how the cat works)

5. Someone else comes along and suggests that you use bait and setup a TARP. Or have a defence fleet on standby. Heaven forbid you have to actually fight to defend your space.

6. A further person comes along and suggests that the problem isn't cloaking AFK in your system that you can't possibly leave ever, but that you KNOW that the person is AFK in your system... and perhaps local should be removed because free 100% accurate intel is probably not the best thing in the game and if you didn't know that the big meanie was in your system, you wouldn't be worried about leaving the undock/POS.

7. Then another person pokes their head in and complains that local is 100% NEEDED because D-Scan and probing are such bad mechanics, and IF YOU TAKE MY LOCAL AWAY IM QUITTING FOREVER AND NO YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF!

8. Someone asks if they can have 7's stuff.

We end up with another thread which goes on for pages and pages between complains about local, defence fleets, inability to just go next door, people who aren't playing the game but are playing the meta, lots of bickering and in the end nothing gets solved. CCP wont remove cloaking because it would mess with waaay too many things and it creates content (which is a good thing) by removing content (which is a bad thing) but they can't really think of any way to do it without a complete overhaul of the local and scanning systems.

9.[ammended as per reccomendation be isd ezwal] ISD member locks the thread for redundancy
Now that I've had this entire thread's conversation, can we just let it die? Please?
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#22 - 2014-09-26 21:41:19 UTC
OP needs to review the following thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-09-26 21:41:45 UTC
We need this for every topic, Ralph!
You're brilliant for posting this, really!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#24 - 2014-09-26 21:42:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Link to the original post
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4374522#post4374522

Bookmark it so that ye may spread the word of paikis!
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-09-26 21:43:17 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Link to the original post
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspxg=posts&m=4374522#post4374522

Bookmark it so that ye may spread the word of paikis!

Hail Paikis, the true saviour of the forums!
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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#26 - 2014-09-26 21:43:20 UTC
007Jumper wrote:
yea its a question thats been said a million times... but yet that needs an answer why CCP wont simply add something to find them or limits on how long they can have the cloak online, simply add a high cap drain would do it but yea besides talking down to someone just asking a question, why not be supportive. Maybe you'll have a question one day just like me and respect good answers not bs ones. Everything should have a pro and a con to it right?



Why would you want CCP to hold your hand? Just because the big cloaky meanie scares you?
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-09-26 21:44:38 UTC
Ralph, I keep clicking that link and only get "WE WERE GANKED" -.-

And mal ... please... don't. -.-
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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#28 - 2014-09-26 21:46:54 UTC
Priscilla Project wrote:


And mal ... please... don't. -.-


I'm bored Twisted
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#29 - 2014-09-26 21:48:23 UTC
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#30 - 2014-09-26 22:27:35 UTC
007Jumper wrote:
yea its a question thats been said a million times... but yet that needs an answer why CCP wont simply add something to find them or limits on how long they can have the cloak online, simply add a high cap drain would do it but yea besides talking down to someone just asking a question, why not be supportive. Maybe you'll have a question one day just like me and respect good answers not bs ones. Everything should have a pro and a con to it right?


CCP won't add it because Cloaking isn't broken. The fact that you choose to allow some guy spending his day down at the pub to prevent you from doing what you want in your system is not a game mechanical problem.

Cloaking has several cons.
For example (and it's kind of a biggie): The complete inability to interact with the game world around you.


Now, all of this has been hashed out, you know, many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many times, which you'd know if you'd bothered to search.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#31 - 2014-09-26 22:32:44 UTC
The Great Karnak Predicts another one of those threads.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-09-26 22:51:11 UTC
007Jumper wrote:
Everything should have a pro and a con to it right?


Pro = AFK cloaker making you cry and post on the forums.
Con = you posting on the forums.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#33 - 2014-09-26 22:52:25 UTC
Oh oh, I have this, am I relevant again yet?

o/

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Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#34 - 2014-09-26 22:55:54 UTC
If i was the cloaky afk player I would petition the OP for harrrasment.
J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-09-26 22:58:12 UTC
007Jumper wrote:
Hey Everyone,

Was wondering if anyone else had views on a counter against perm cloaking players. Would be nice to see some type of counter against this, maybe a new set of scanning skills with some unique probes ? or add a timer on the cloak, for example you set cloaked in a system for "X" amount of time than the cloak mod itself starts to take heat damage for being online for to long and after a point it burns out and decloaks your ship and you would have to go repair it like any other mod. Everything else has a counter and i think cloaks need something to act against them and would also make it harder for people to grief in lowsec/nullsec/sov.

Any thoughts ?

o7


Aah renter whining about cloaky camping.

Thread number 304.391.296 about this.

AFK cloakers are harmless, they arent at their keyboard. Or you just move a system and dont give a flying **** about them

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J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-09-26 22:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
double post.

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Marcel Brinalle
Burning Skies
Apocalypse Now.
#37 - 2014-09-26 23:11:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcel Brinalle
And I'm a fairly new player. And I already have enough of this "counter the cloaking" threads. Geez.. really.

007Jumper, get yourself a cloaky boat and go camp your guest's system.
Bernie Nator
Allspark Industries
Transformographagizers
#38 - 2014-09-26 23:15:08 UTC
Have a party. It's StirFriday after all.
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#39 - 2014-09-26 23:24:17 UTC
Cloaking is fine. Nerf the OP.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.

Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#40 - 2014-09-26 23:26:28 UTC
This thread is now about afk twerking.

Is this a problem? Is it griefing? Is it . . . the most amazing idea ever?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon