Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No sympathy from me. Gallente camped Jita undock for over a year with t2 battleships and the occasional t3. Occasionally we'd get one if they were in a tornado or something. Couldn't band up against them because of their militia alt spies; theyd dock up. Or better yet, they had neutral t2 logi alts to ensure a victory.

Minmatar camp Litiura, the route from cal/gal fw space to jita in loki's and proteus's, and interceptors, with neutral logi warping in at 60km. Same situation as aove, spai alts and docking up.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

OP, you have been misinformed if you think hi-sec is safe. I am a testament to that.

The faction navies are pathetic by design, you are supposed to kill the bad guys not the NPCs.

I'm VERY inexperienced in Eve. All I know how to do is suicide gank, mine, and run lvl1 and lvl2 missions. One of my alts was in FW for a little while. One of the very few things I have experienced in my time in Eve is station campers in FW. I have no idea how to PvP properly. I never did PvP while I was in FW, all I did was run missions. I was in FW for a few months in the Mimmy Militia. Most of the items I bought were sold from Hek. The hub station in Hek is CONSTANTLY camped by enemy militia. I bought and sold many things at that station and only got jumped by the campers two or three times (and that was only because I was flying my FW character).

I'm a child compared to most other players in Eve. I come on these forums to expose myself to different facets and different perspectives of the realities of Eve Online, and I'm sure I make myself sound like an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about in the process. But at least I know how to get out of a station that's being camped by WTs. The NPC Navy creampuffs guarding the stations are weak, and I assume CCP has their reasons for having them be that way. But if a player who is a child in comparison to most of the other players doesn't have a problem with the Navy being weak and the WTs camping the station, then you shouldn't have a problem either. And the solution is REALLY simple. So simple, in fact, that I really shouldn't tell you. But I'll be a nice guy and tell you how I do it anyway.

One good way is to use an alt who ISN'T in a militia. When you buy items, buy them remotely. Then contract them over to your alt via courier contract and have your alt pick up and deliver your items. If you're selling, it's pretty much the same process in reverse. Contract the items over to your alt and have the alt sell them, then send the isk back to your main. The key part here is to NOT have your alt in any of the militias. I say again, do NOT have your alt in a militia. Otherwise, you'll have an industrial ship flying around with your contract with a huge orange sign that says "I'M AN IDIOT CARRYING GOODIES, COME POP ME AND STEAL ALL MY STUFF!!!!" If the WTs are smart (which they often are) they'll scan your cargo to see if your full or empty. If you're empty, they'll let you dock and wait for you to undock with goodies in your cargo. If you're full, they'll agro you so the station won't let you dock and then they'll pop you. Insta docks/warps can be helpful in this situation, provided you can tank the damage long enough to align (I believe the Evasive Maneuvers skill will allow you to align more quickly). On the other hand, if the enemies aren't smart or just don't feel like putting a whole lot of thought into it (which also happens often), they'll just pop you indiscriminately and wave the kill mail in your face. Sometimes they'll be nice enough to sell your corpse back to you so you can get some of your implants back. :,D LOL!!

The other way I avoided getting popped by campers is using insta docks/warps. You need to have a safe spot BM'd just slightly off the station grid. To do this, you undock from the station and just fly straight for like 5 minutes, then BM your location. You'll be far enough away that you can warp from the station to this spot and vice verse. When you undock from the station, have your People and Places window open with BM'd insta warp visible and ready to be clicked on. As soon as you land on grid outside the station, warp to the BM. Don't sit around to see the sights, or you will quickly become one of the sights to see. Just warp and get away from danger as quickly as possible. And don't sit at your insta warp forever, either. Someone will scan you down and come pop you, and your insta will be compromised. If you're docking, warp to your insta BEFORE you warp to the station, and d-scan the station. If you don't know how to use your d-scanner, look up a video on youtube. If the station isn't clear and you don't feel like you can safely dock, then don't warp to the station. If the station is clear or you feel like you CAN safely dock, then go for it. But don't start crying if you make a bad judgement call. Tears are delicious and are in high demand. Just learn from your mistake and move the f**k on. Besides, if the loss is THAT much of a problem for you, then you probably broke the Golden Rule of Eve Online anyway: Don't fly it if you can't afford to replace it. That rule INCLUDES cargo. That's why people set collateral on their courier contracts with other players. If they get popped while carrying your cargo, they damn well better be able to reimburse you for every cent of it.

This is several steps too many.

1. Give ISK to your neutral alt.
2. Have neutral alt buy stuffs and haul.
3. Then contract stuffs.

Also, always follow all anti-ganking advice, which includes the creation of insta-dock and insta-warp bookmarks. If you have to haul anything shiney, do so in a Blockade Runner, which cannot be cargo scanned.

Why must we always be forced to use alts for every aspect of this game?

Someone in militia once asked me why I don't create an alt to rat and bring my supplies to our lowsec station. I thought short and without effort and simply responded: "Hmmm, well because instead of only having the gallente and pirate chumps to worry about, I'd then have gallente, pirates, and caldari militia idiots trying to kill me. Why go through all this BS?

As for one of the previous comments about undocking in something bigger to attack the camping wartarget, usually that person 1ups you. Most of these guys camp with **** that you cant defend against ie T3's Blops, or Marauders. On the off chance you can, expect neutral logi and off grid boosters in a safe somewhere to ensure the campers victory. They have alts on station with ship module scanners, marking all opposing militia pilots orange etc...Let your imagination flow with the possibilities. Most of the time attacking one camper results in 4-5 others in t2 **** undocking to 5v1 you.

As for teaming up to stop them, not feasible with a militia full of spai alts giving warning nor the major corps and alliances not even caring to get together a patrol force or set plans in motion. Which imo is quite weird. Who wouldn't want to kill a wtloki camping a stargate?

It is true that instant undock bookmarks make such campers irrelevant, but the point has merit -- enemy police really should not be so easy to permanently tank. A very simple solution to make the police actually worth something is have them tackle and possibly apply other EWAR as well (neuting, damping, etc., depending on which faction's police they are). It could still be doable, but these guys would have to work at least a little bit harder to pop newb after never-ending newb.

Stop living in 0.5+. Join a decent FW corporation and move to their 'home' systems. Learn how to live in low security space instead of complaining about someone using a cheap, yet intended mechanic against you.

Meh. It isn't SEVERAL steps too many. Just one extra step for a second contract transaction. But you're right, I like your method more. I kinda feel like an idiot for not thinking of that. Lol. I have a question for you about Blockade Runners, but it doesn't belong on this thread so I'll send you a pm.

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And never, ever flying a frigate. Hek Boundless is littered with the wrecks and corpses of poor fools who thought undocking a Rifter would be okay until they got alpha'd by the 1-5 Legions that have BBQs and tents set up there.