EVE General Discussion

The only bad fart in here are typical sociopath comments like this. We're voicing our opinions m'kay? This is the forum section in case you got lost in the menu system, people discuss things here.

If you can't stand that I suggest you go yell at a wall or something.

Let's add something for completeness.

Rookiecorps contain griefers that tell new players to mine, run missions and avoid lowsec,
because it's a deathtrap ... pretty much making new players do and think bullshit from the getgo.

It's these griefers who have a huge influence in why there are so many dropouts.


*kinks*

There are hardcore players and casual players.

The former are arguably more skilled at games than the latter, but that doesn't mean that the latter are all RL morons: they just have less time and/or interest for videogames. It also doesn't mean that the hardcore guys are all teenage basement dwellers, I'm a fairly hardcore gamer myself even though I'm 40 and unfortunately I have to pay my own bills...

Furthermore, we all know that casual gamers make up the large majority of videogame customers - it's unwise for any game company to ignore them altogether.


When hardcore players play among / against eachother, all is fine.

When casual players play among / against eachother, all is fine.


But in EVE, everybody plays together in the single-shard, PVP-always-on game environment.
This is very cool, but sometimes the hardcore vs. casual clash just doesn't work.

In the best case, the casual dude gets slightly annoyed that he can't enjoy EVE without devoting a fair amount of time to learning game mechanics (e.g. how to not get ganked). In the worst case, he/she rages and quits, especially if the hardcore dude that just blew up his spaceship or scammed him felt like 'rubbing it in' a bit with some smack-talk or such - in-game, of course.


Sure, we can say HTFU - but what that means is basically 'EVE is not a game for casual players - so you should better leave'.


But is this really what we (I mean, the hardcore people) really want and/or need?

While I'm PVP-ing with and against like-minded spaceship explosion enthusiasts, should I care if the ship I'm flying was built buy some casual dude that mines and produces in highsec, possibly with razor-thin margins because he isn't even a hardcore industrialist?

Should I care if the server and software development is also being payed by some casual gamers missioning in highsec in their fail-fit Raven?


I understand it's hard for CCP to cater for both casual and hardcore players, but I think they should make this their priority.

One example is the 'dojo' idea that has come up. Sure, it's not 'real PVP' but why should we care? As long as I can still PVP the 'real way' with like-minded friends & opponents, I'm fine with new features that could quite possibly attract players that prefer something different and less demanding.

My sarcasm detector just melted upon reading this, so... I haven't got a clue if you're being serious or not. I needed a laugh though

For the record, I don't "tell" people to mine/ run missions until their face meets their keyboard. Funnily enough, the few people who do ask for advice already planned out what they were going to do before-hand, be it from the streamer they watched on twitch, a friend telling them how to make isk quickly/how to play safely e.t.c.

the guides to eve are outdated, sometimes scarce and sometimes presented in ever irritating form of a video, but they are there and you can learn the basics for high sec. You will know how to grind some missions, mine and manufacture and join a corp. From that you can do shitloads of things and I dare say they make much more sense than playing Minecraft just for the sake of unearthing stuff and surviving just for the sake of unearthing and surviving (talking about myself here ofc :P). And people love minecraft because it's not about aiming guns at people's heads.

Problem comes when you are supposed to go low/null/wormhole when all of sudden you die because the dude writing the guide forgot to mention something. Bad luck - costly lesson instead of profit, but hey... Grind your way back, and come back stronger (even if only in SP).

Then comes the "discovery part" like - do not use ECM Burst when near stargate :P

All that is kinda true but then - Eve is eve. It can irritate, it can infuriate (I kinda rage quitted for 3 months), but hey - it is different and new and this is what I wanted. I'd take the said problems any time over well explained wow clone, because there would be nothing new there. Some people in this thread already pointed to that, and I think it was underestimated as a factor.

Eve was developed as an elaborated copy of Ogame or some other browser game and it was a brilliant idea :D

Also - I think people dislike that eve is slow and gratifying. My friends love fast and insta gratifying games even tough I sometimes cannot understand why. Maybe Eve is just a niche, and maybe we should be happy even for that :P

im just voicing my opinion. i guess youre a sociopath...

there are many little "tricks" u can pull off in eve in which you cannot in other games, mmos
using such "tricks" that is not apparent to a player is considered a "exploit" in those games whereas in eve , most of them are not
this is what turns alot of players / friends i had away, and there's alot of little things to do to do things "right"
for example this toon is clearly an alt,
alot of players train up their toon to fit a certain purpose (trade alt / cyno alt / scouts / combat perfect for certain ship alt etc),
things that newbies will clearly not know , eg : flying the ship manually (flying to the place you want it to without orbit / stay at range),
the list go on and on and on up to a point that a new player will either enjoy the challenge and the discovery or get frustrated and leave, the whole problem here is that it takes the player money (sub) to continue, so given you have 10 challenges and you like 9 of them , hating 1 out of it is enough to turn a player away.
surly some random "vet" will show up and say OMG qq carebears blah blah blah, but lets be real, losing subs and having a low count on players does not get the game anywhere, given you own the whole of new eden , alone , how much does that worth ?

You know people have been saying this for 12 years right? Star Trek Online, Black Prophecy, Jumpgate, the Star Wars games and others. The ONLY game launch that we know of that coincided with any kind of sub or pcu decline was 3 weeks of Diablo 3 in 2012.

Even after all these years people cling to the "x game is going to affect EVE" false belief. It's like that guy on the corner somehow acquired an internet connection.

OP, you must understand, this game is filled with long term players, 'bittervets' as they are called. The social milleau has become bizarre to the point that there are a significant number of people who simply do not want new players. They can no longer enjoy the game, and crave interaction, so the just seek to put others down, harass, grief, etc. They want to sit in a cesspool with their buddies shouting 'htfu' and making Chuck Norris jokes.

This is not the majority of the playerbase though. Most 'normal' people don't come shouting on the forums that Eve is a cold harsh place (while carebearing with their alts). They quietly go about their business enjoying their game experience. It's simply a matter of finding the right group and location for you. You may find some awesome null people who will welcome you, teach you to avoid bubbles, make isk, etc. Or maybe you will love wh space, who knows? Whatever gameplay style you choose can be fun.

My suggestion to you is, don't bother with these forums for these kinds of issues. You'll just get lots of hate. Stick with it, try different aspects of the game, explore different areas and try to find the right corp for you. It may take time, or it may not, but it's worth it.

For me Its not so much that any of these games can every kill Eve because Eve will always have its core players just like any MMO and I don't believe any one game can kill another. There is always other factors at work.

The issue is that if each game takes small amount of players and those players are not replace then it becomes death by thousand paper cuts.

I do believe that Subs are down, of course I can not prove this by any direct evidence, just as nobody can prove the opposite, however CCP going from having no issues with telling the world how its gaining subscriptions to complete silence is enough for me.

One of the reason will be small amounts of players leaving with each new game, not coming back and those players not being replaced.