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So scamming is banned now? What about insulting other players?

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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#21 - 2014-09-26 04:39:11 UTC
The slippery slope just got a lot steeper.

Aww junk, now I am "associated" with the offender.

Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-09-26 04:41:45 UTC
Eleanor Wish wrote:
You may as well go for it and stop asking. As Falcon put it, there's no set standard and the line of ok behavior or not-ok behavior moves depending on how CCP staff members feel like enforcing the rules at any given time of the year.


Well if that's the case, if what's appropriate today is going to be inappropriate tomorrow, and vice versa, just based on CCP's whim, then that is a problem.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#23 - 2014-09-26 04:46:20 UTC
Ibtl, nothing but butthurt.

Brb going to scam ppl.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Scooter McCabe
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2014-09-26 04:51:48 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Eleanor Wish wrote:
You may as well go for it and stop asking. As Falcon put it, there's no set standard and the line of ok behavior or not-ok behavior moves depending on how CCP staff members feel like enforcing the rules at any given time of the year.


Well if that's the case, if what's appropriate today is going to be inappropriate tomorrow, and vice versa, just based on CCP's whim, then that is a problem.


Its not a new problem either.
Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
#25 - 2014-09-26 04:56:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Diamond Zerg
This thread should certainly not be locked. All I'm doing is asking (out of interest) a few questions in a civil fashion.

Are we allowed to speak to other players negatively in EVE? Or does that constitute harassment?
Hi.
Seneca Auran
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-09-26 05:11:55 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:
This thread should certainly not be locked. All I'm doing is asking (out of interest) a few questions in a civil fashion.

Are we allowed to speak to other players negatively in EVE? Or does that constitute harassment?


Apparently it depends entirely on the definition of 'common sense' used by whatever GM happens to receive the complaint.

Clearly defined rules regarding offenses worthy of permanent banning are for lesser games.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#27 - 2014-09-26 05:20:39 UTC
Seneca Auran wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:
This thread should certainly not be locked. All I'm doing is asking (out of interest) a few questions in a civil fashion.

Are we allowed to speak to other players negatively in EVE? Or does that constitute harassment?


Apparently it depends entirely on the definition of 'common sense' used by whatever GM happens to receive the complaint.

Clearly defined rules regarding offenses worthy of permanent banning are for lesser games.



Not to mention "state of mind". Plenty of booze drunk in Iceland I hear.
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#28 - 2014-09-26 05:31:07 UTC
You can still double anyones isk as long as they read the rules.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-09-26 05:35:29 UTC
I love this topic.

It means that all the horrible people speak up ...
... and hopefully get thrown out.


That's the way to go.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-09-26 05:48:01 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Sigh. Not this thread again.

This is what happens when people can't tell the difference between real life and game. No, scamming in-game is not banned. No, playing a "villain" in-game will not get you banned. YES, taking your douchbaggery out of game WILL bring forth some much deserved butthurt.

The moral of the story is if you're trying to hone your real life douche and schadenfreude skills then you'll need to find another venue to do it in. Not being able to tell the difference between in-game and real life is not an excuse to satiate your sadistic urgings.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Elsa Hayes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-09-26 05:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsa Hayes
Maybe if people would stop behaving like idiot asshats no change to the TOS/EULA would have been necessary.
This applies to people on both sides of the fence, the ones who can not behave themselves and have to uses slurs all the time and the special snowflakes who get butthurt at the slightest change in voice timbre.

Use your brains for crying out loud. If a certain behavior would earn you a smack in the face in RL refrain from behaving so in game. Just the same as you would probably not openly break out in tears when someone (probably at work or school) scolds you or even uses some harsh language. (If you do you should probably seek treatment, applies to the perma slur flinger as well)

This should be common sense for adults, and EvE was always praised for its "mature" player base, looks like some people seem to have been stuck at the age of 12 as far as their mental development is concerned.

Most people who got upset about Erotica one getting banned and similar incidents are the ones regularly referred to as sociopaths (most will even freely admit that), them getting banned is no loss for the game. If you lack common sense, if you are a sociopath, if you fail to adapt to normal people then you should be removed and moved somewhere else for treatment.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-09-26 05:51:15 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Sigh. Not this thread again.

This is what happens when people can't tell the difference between real life and game. No, scamming in-game is not banned. No, playing a "villain" in-game will not get you banned. YES, taking your douchbaggery out of game WILL bring forth some much deserved butthurt.

The moral of the story is if you're trying to hone your real life douche and schadenfreude skills then you'll need to find another venue to do it in. Not being able to tell the difference between in-game and real life is not an excuse to satiate your sadistic urgings.


You clearly haven't read the article. So much douchebaggery has already been taken to voice coms and never ever been a problem. The article highlights this, and don't make me post the video of Sky Fighters making CCP Gargant sing on coms again please. The article makes it plain that the issue is just not as simply solved by 'keeping it in game'. It's not. That argument is dead by virtue of it never having been an issue before now.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-09-26 05:52:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Elsa Hayes wrote:
Maybe if people would stop behaving like idiot asshats no change to the TOS/EULA would have been necessary.
This applies to people on both sides of the fence, the ones who can not behave themselves and have to uses slurs all the time and the special snowflakes who get butthurt at the slightest change in voice timbre.

Use your brains for crying out loud. If a certain behavior would earn you a smack in the face in RL refrain from behaving so in game. Just the same as you would probably not openly break out in tears when someone (probably at work or school) scolds you or even uses some harsh language. (If you do you should probably seek treatment, applies to the perma slur flinger as well)

This should be common sense for adults, and EvE was always praised for its "mature" player base, looks like some people seem to have been stuck at the age of 12 as far as their mental development is concerned.


Some people slap and punch faces just because they're easily offended. And I would hardly call smacking someone in the face a mature response to anything.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Elsa Hayes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-09-26 05:57:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsa Hayes
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Elsa Hayes wrote:
Maybe if people would stop behaving like idiot asshats no change to the TOS/EULA would have been necessary.
This applies to people on both sides of the fence, the ones who can not behave themselves and have to uses slurs all the time and the special snowflakes who get butthurt at the slightest change in voice timbre.

Use your brains for crying out loud. If a certain behavior would earn you a smack in the face in RL refrain from behaving so in game. Just the same as you would probably not openly break out in tears when someone (probably at work or school) scolds you or even uses some harsh language. (If you do you should probably seek treatment, applies to the perma slur flinger as well)

This should be common sense for adults, and EvE was always praised for its "mature" player base, looks like some people seem to have been stuck at the age of 12 as far as their mental development is concerned.


Some people slap and punch faces just because they're easily offended. And I would hardly call smacking someone in the face a mature response to anything.


C O M M O N S E N S E, yes some people slap/punch others more readily than others but those people normally end up with social hours and fines pretty quickly, or jail.
Some people even take pepper sauce enemas should we also take that as a norm?
Some guy did something pretty crazy with an eel, is that another "normal" example?

It seems pretty obvious that most people complaining about the harassment policy changes are the ones actually completely lacking common sense and any resemblance to mental maturity. Maybe some people should leave their basements more often and directly interact with people instead of sitting in front of a computer every free minute and talking via TS/Mumble etc.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-09-26 06:01:00 UTC
Elsa Hayes wrote:


C O M M O N S E N S E, yes some people slap/punch others more readily than others but those people normally end up with social hours and fines pretty quickly, or jail.
Some people even take pepper sauce enemas should we also take that as a norm?
Some guy did something pretty crazy with an eel, is that another "normal" example?


No, you're dodging the issue. You just said, don't do something that would get you smacked in the head IRL. Well, in my book, there's nothing that should earn you a smack in the head in real life except violent provocation, otherwise it's the person doing the smacking who's in the wrong. I don't know what your examples of 'abnormality' have to do with anything in this discussion though, so I'm going to put them down to being a dodge as well.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2014-09-26 06:02:46 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Remiel Pollard wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Sigh. Not this thread again.

This is what happens when people can't tell the difference between real life and game. No, scamming in-game is not banned. No, playing a "villain" in-game will not get you banned. YES, taking your douchbaggery out of game WILL bring forth some much deserved butthurt.

The moral of the story is if you're trying to hone your real life douche and schadenfreude skills then you'll need to find another venue to do it in. Not being able to tell the difference between in-game and real life is not an excuse to satiate your sadistic urgings.


You clearly haven't read the article. So much douchebaggery has already been taken to voice coms and never ever been a problem. The article highlights this, and don't make me post the video of Sky Fighters making CCP Gargant sing on coms again please. The article makes it plain that the issue is just not as simply solved by 'keeping it in game'. It's not. That argument is dead by virtue of it never having been an issue before now.


Oh I read a whole 6 pages of it before I realized how butthurt the author is that people with notoriously sadistic tendencies or a history of hacking private accounts have been undeservedly "victimized" by CCP's ban hammer Roll.

This thread will be nothing more than griefer tears. And as much pleasure as some of these banned victims take in producing and reveling in others' tears, I for one, find their own tears and this unnecessary outpour of pain and suffering quite unfortunate and unnecessary.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-09-26 06:06:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Priscilla Project
Maybe your book is wrong?


For a few hundred years a "smack" taught people to be respectfull.
Then, after a these few hundred years where it simply WORKED ... assholes said "NO IT'S BAD!"

Nowadays people lack respect towards eachother.

Coincidence ... right?



Respect is taught through pain, not words.
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Elsa Hayes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-09-26 06:06:59 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Elsa Hayes wrote:


C O M M O N S E N S E, yes some people slap/punch others more readily than others but those people normally end up with social hours and fines pretty quickly, or jail.
Some people even take pepper sauce enemas should we also take that as a norm?
Some guy did something pretty crazy with an eel, is that another "normal" example?


No, you're dodging the issue. You just said, don't do something that would get you smacked in the head IRL. Well, in my book, there's nothing that should earn you a smack in the head in real life except violent provocation, otherwise it's the person doing the smacking who's in the wrong. I don't know what your examples of 'abnormality' have to do with anything in this discussion though, so I'm going to put them down to being a dodge as well.



I am not dodging anything, go to a bar go to the next guy at the counter and start flinging slurs at him. See what happens, either you earn yourself a smack or maybe he will record the stuff and call the police, in both cases you will get punished. Well if you are lucky he might just go away but the bar tender will most likely kick you out, again punishment.

You seem to think its ok to verbally abuse people, well try that with a police officer for example, its quite obvious that you seem to have completely missed the point which further underlines my case. In a face to face conversation you would not even start bringing up bullshit arguments like this.

When was the last time you left your basement?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-09-26 06:12:05 UTC
Priscilla Project wrote:
Maybe your book is wrong?


For a few hundred years a "smack" taught people to be respectfull.
Then, after a these few hundred years where it simply WORKED ... assholes said "NO IT'S BAD!"

Nowadays people lack respect towards eachother.

Coincidence ... right?



Respect is taught through pain, not words.


No, that's how you incite fear. Respect is earned, fear is forced. There's no such thing as teaching respect, and don't ever try to tell me that real life violence makes you in any way a teacher.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Seneca Auran
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2014-09-26 06:13:15 UTC
Elsa Hayes wrote:

Use your brains for crying out loud. If a certain behavior would earn you a smack in the face in RL refrain from behaving so in game.


I'm pretty sure if I blow up someones car in real life and hold them for ransom at gunpoint, or go blow up someones house because they're a wanted criminal, I'm going to get more than a smack in the face. QED remove guns and missions from EVE, it's just common sense. EVE: Space Mining Simulator, huge hit I'm sure.

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Most people who got upset about Erotica one getting banned and similar incidents are the ones regularly referred to as sociopaths (most will even freely admit that), them getting banned is no loss for the game. If you lack common sense, if you are a sociopath, if you fail to adapt to normal people then you should be removed and moved somewhere else for treatment.


Or people are upset that, ya know, CCP has spent the last several years touting ruthlessness and foul play as features of EVE, and now suddenly they're handing out bans, with no explanation given, and no guidance on what exactly will get you a ban other than, "You should just know."