EVE General Discussion

I am sorry, I must have missed that special newbro flair that is on your avatar or next to your name when you show up in local. Point is, people dont really look at how old your character is, they will see a ship and if they are not blue, you will get shot. As far as the warp bubble, that seems to be lack of experience than some dude picking on you. Never warp directly to an out gate in Null.

No, it means they target a very specific type of gamer, not the dime in a dozen type of gamer.

Which is exactly what CCP is doing, they don't want to be "WoW-in-space". They want to supply a game to a "special" type of gamer, one that doesn't mind using his brain, isn't afraid of some hard challenges and above all doesn't mind doing "1 step forward, 2 steps back" occasionally.

If CCP could come up with a set of tutorials which made explicit of aspects of the game, it would mean that Eve had been dumbed down to the point where most of us would quit.

The whole point of Eve is that it is very complex and that there is always something new to learn.

When I started, I used to look at virtually everything on my game screen, laugh because it meant absolutely nothing to me, then have great fun trying to work out what it all meant.

It always strikes me as odd when a "new player" will take the time to post about problems other new players may have, though he himself seems to be overcoming them. Why is there so much concern about what other new players are experiencing, or what might drive them away? Go play the game, stop worrying about other newbies and their experience, learn the game, have fun. Play with the people that choose to stay.

Such things make me certain this is all a big troll...

This could be said of any game if it a player's first time in the genre. If you aren't prepared to spend some time figuring new things out, you're gonna have a bad time with new things.

There is no lack of guidance in EVE. None whatsoever. Pick a topic, any topic, in EVE that could be remotely relevant to a new player and you'll find guides and videos and chats and more than you could ever need. At this point the tutorial really needs to say little more than "Google it" to cover just about everything.

EVE may not be hard, on that we agree, but it is the kind of game which requires a bit of research and figuring out to play, and in these sorts of games there is simply no substitiute for self-motivated learning (or at least the willingness to ask someone more knowledgeable than you) - even if the tutorial could somehow get every person who tries EVE through their first month without fail, that's just gonna be a lot of people having a bad time in their second month.

The devs seem to have the right idea going forward - ditch the explicit tutorial, and just put helpful signposts on the buttons and actions available.

I think you've misread something at some point as you seem to have no clue what I think about the game. Primarily, I don't think we should cater to "the legions", but we've pretty much reached the limit of what we will have with the current status quo. Now if CCP were happy with that, it would be fine, nothing needs to change, but they aren't, and they made it clear they'd like to work on new player retention. Whichever way you beat it, something needs to change for that to happen.

And that;s fine, but the current experience isn't just chucking away gamers that refuse to use their brains. People that could very well become great EVE players are being lost because they don't stumbling into a conversation with any of the 1% that can give them guidance, and the system itself is utterly useless in providing them information. You can't expect everyone to just inherently know how to play EVE.

Well done you. I'm sure you stating that will really help in retaining many new players.
See this is the problem. People are happy to chirp on about how they did it, but that doesn't resolve the actual issue that new player retention is crap.

I wasn't, so either it's new or it's carefully disguised as a "shoot red crosses" tutorial. I'll endeavor to rerun them ans take a gander.

Absolutely, but it works both ways. If you aren't prepared to spend some time showing people the ropes, you can't expect them to get it.

If your method of teaching new players the basics involves going to third party websites, you're doing it wrong.

Sure, I agree, but why not show people more in game? Why not explain things to them more in depth, push people to do more than missioning to begin with. They get dumped in highsec with tutorials showing them how to shoot red crosses, surrounded by people waiting for them to click a button wrong and then blow them out of the sky, and people are surprised that many of them turn into risk averse carebears then quit after a few months?

Alts =/= people

Unless CCP gives us numbers your assumption is as good as mine.

The facts:

1) No real expansion since 2010

2) Game has lost subs and average concurrent players every year since 2010

3) CCP is being so poorly managed they can't see the correlation between facts 1 and 2.

i like what lucas says (e: i only read the last page so if you said something really dumb before that lucas i will be very upset)

how do i put this? i want to see an instruction manual that'll tell players what a shovel is and how to use the shovel to dig holes. but it won't tell you you can use the holes to trip people over, or how to push them into holes


where's our new pve zone, race, boss fight, tradable hats and dual pistol powerset ccp