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Do you enjoy trading?
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Aadris
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-09-24 23:53:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Aadris
I've realised recently after returning to Eve again after a break for about the 15th time, that trading isn't just a way for me to make money to find pvp but I enjoy it quite a bit on it's own too.

I think there's an assumption among some people (not MD dwellers mind) that trading makes a lot of isk but is really really boring.

I think part of the pleasure of trading for me is the fact it requires so little time investment compared to other more traditional forms of making isk (mining, pve, industry etc) - and I feel like I'm winning because I made 100m from a few mouseclicks rather than spending and hour or two slogging it out in a boring mission. Even just as a Jita station trader, there's something nice about finding a way to get an income out of the market rather than be just handed it by some isk faucet paying out x million per hour. My fortunes rise and fall with my own good or bad decisions rather than some random loot or spawn.

PvP is still my main eve activity, and I wouldn't say trading is "fun" as such, but perhaps that it has it's pleasures. Anyone else trade for more than just the isk?
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#2 - 2014-09-25 01:34:00 UTC
I trade with a bit of RP element to it. I try to see myself as a business man, and together with other activities I do (pvp, mining, industry, research & BPO/BPC selling, etc, etc), trading is a part of our corporate business operation. I actively keep track of how much isk we are making from trading, S&I, and pvp loots we collect. At the end of each month I write up a corporate report detailing our financial growth (or losses), pvp statistics and war report, production results and all sorts of other things. I actually do make this properly with excel & powerpoint, and at the end of each month our corp members get a nice overview of what we've done and how we are growing, or what our losses were and how we could improve.

Doing it this way, I really feel like I'm in a company in the field of space business and wars (lol yes). I even send out the report to our members who's taking long break (like couldn't log in for a few months because of a new baby born & etc), and they really appreciate it because they too feel like they are actual members of a space corporation, taking paternity leave.

This may not be for everyone, but for me this somewhat RP approach to making ISK and pretending to be a space business man feels fun.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#3 - 2014-09-25 03:35:22 UTC
I don't even know if I count as a trader as I seldom sell things. On occasion the profit margin is just too tempting and I will eliminate a percentage of my assets but only if I think it's a bubble and I can get it back.

Looking for 'deals' is a big part of EVE for me though. I very seldom have less than 30 buy orders up and it's often the only reason I log in. To see what I picked up and modify for the .01 ISK factor.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#4 - 2014-09-25 06:26:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
Trading is instant PvP with tens of thousands of opponents, from the moment you log in and around the clock.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#5 - 2014-09-25 07:44:36 UTC
Trading beats blapping red crosses any day.

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Aldur Saken
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-09-25 10:19:07 UTC
Trading is for me to make a impact in not just my wallet but the whole system. Market manipulation is one of the best aspects of the game if you do it right.
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#7 - 2014-09-26 02:48:09 UTC
It leads to quick burn out imo but it pays the bills. Have had some pretty crazy adrenaline rushes when going for juicy contracts as well, it is very much a pvp activity.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#8 - 2014-09-26 03:23:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Trading is all I've done for the past two years and I enjoy it enough to fund a few subs through it. For me ISK is both a score and a means to enable more trade. I do the same kind of trading as when I started, blueprints on contracts, but I'd like to branch out to something that while active is less dependent on me being at the keyboard to make a profit.

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Artostes
Maggot Mayhem Mulisha
#9 - 2014-09-26 05:08:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Artostes
just a means to and end for me. I traded all my Trade skills to lvl 5 hoping to get a great isk making opportunity . Its boring and not really profitable when you have 300 items on the market for sale and your needing to keep lowering your price to keep the item at the best sales price. even with my skills its still costs to adjust the price and sometimes not worth it to spend 2000 in brokers fees just to get a garbage tech I item sold. And forget trying to buy items. the price margins between the buy and sale are so tight in Jita you would have to sell to much of the item in volume that's not their to make any real profits.
Jace Sarice
#10 - 2014-09-29 00:21:59 UTC
I go through phases where I enjoy station trading, but my constant is longer term investments and region trading. If my offline life ever became less busy, I would probably take station trading seriously again to see how far I could go. But as it stands now I just don't have the time to monitor it that much.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#11 - 2014-09-29 07:49:40 UTC
Aadris wrote:

PvP is still my main eve activity, and I wouldn't say trading is "fun" as such, but perhaps that it has it's pleasures. Anyone else trade for more than just the isk?


When i first started playing EVE I did. I was fascinated by a game market with so much depth. I hadn't seen that before. TBH I'm still fascinated by it but my "trading" is more a means to an end now.

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Aldur Saken
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-09-29 09:36:51 UTC
I used to be just a station trader but i have now started regional trading, it is amazing the difference in prices. I also really like shipping things out to smaller hubs that people will buy from you because they don't want to travel back to a hub to get it cheaper. It takes longer to shift ur stock but it can sell for a lot higher if you get the location and the items that will be needed.
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-09-29 10:26:58 UTC
At times, it often turns into a chore though.
Rumbaldi
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#14 - 2014-09-29 14:15:21 UTC
Trading is something that I have tried but always gotten bored of quickly, I get that you can make billions of isk with it although I never managed to emulate that so I that is why I got bored, I guess I was doing it wrong.

By its very nature it is difficult to get help and advise on as people don't want to tell you their methods (understandably), I cannot recall the amount of times you just get to see "buy low sell high" when others have asked for advise.
Jace Sarice
#15 - 2014-09-29 19:57:41 UTC
Rumbaldi wrote:
Trading is something that I have tried but always gotten bored of quickly, I get that you can make billions of isk with it although I never managed to emulate that so I that is why I got bored, I guess I was doing it wrong.

By its very nature it is difficult to get help and advise on as people don't want to tell you their methods (understandably), I cannot recall the amount of times you just get to see "buy low sell high" when others have asked for advise.


The old station trading guides roaming around the internet are a good place to start, though bits and pieces may be outdated now. More than some sort of avoidance of 'divulging secrets,' those guides are the main reason people give flippant answers. The guides exist, so they don't want to waste their time reiterating 90% of what is contained in the guides every time someone wants starting advice.
Scruffy DeJanitor
Nequadric Mining Association
#16 - 2014-09-29 22:42:39 UTC
I am a Jita trader and very much enjoy trading there. I have two monitors so I usually have two accounts going at once, this one trading while my other (main) account does any other activity that interests me. It creates a great balance in terms of fun/enjoyment. When one is getting dull the other usually gets exciting. Having two monitors and being able to play two accounts at once also makes it more bearable to play the .01 isk game, where I'll update my orders every 5-10 minutes throughout the day. The thing that makes station trading fun for me is just seeing the profits I'm getting roll in and I always love trying to beat my previous daily records. I have a spreadsheet setup that calculates my profits which I update the numbers to frequently just to see how I am doing and seeing it rise each time gives me a sense of accomplishment and makes me want to continue all the more.

Sometimes I'll even get so caught up in trading that I forget what I'm doing on my main. Lol
Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
#17 - 2014-09-30 16:56:54 UTC
While I am no longer active in trading, I always seem to come back to it for the fun of it for a few months. I enjoy it for a few months then get bored and stop. Trading can be fun for a while when you set yourself number goals. Every time I go back to it I set myself a few goals.

My last 2 come backs to trading:

Return 1: I Inject 20b, turn it into 40b within a month. Then turn that 40b into 80b by the next month. Once I reached the goal, I stopped trading and gave away about 60b and spent 20b buying myself plexes.

Return 2: I injected about 200b, the goal was to turn it into 400b by the next month. I failed that goal and only reach about 360b. Mind you I did have some rl work things come up that took away a significant amount of my available play time. This time around I found it less fun as the scale was larger, involved a lot more clicking and due to rl work constraints I felt rushed every time I logged in. This time around I gave away about about 30b, spent 50b on plexes, and threw the rest into my reserve to gather dust with the rest of the isk.

So from my personal experience, it can be fun when you set yourself goals, and have the time to leisurely log in and manage your orders.

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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#18 - 2014-09-30 17:07:38 UTC
Grendell wrote:
Return 2: I injected about 200b, the goal was to turn it into 400b by the next month. I failed that goal and only reach about 360b. Mind you I did have some rl work things come up that took away a significant amount of my available play time. This time around I found it less fun as the scale was larger, involved a lot more clicking and due to rl work constraints I felt rushed every time I logged in. This time around I gave away about about 30b, spent 50b on plexes, and threw the rest into my reserve to gather dust with the rest of the isk.


That's impressive, what was involved in that if you don't mind me asking, how many hours and ISK involved in each activity?

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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
#19 - 2014-09-30 18:14:56 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Grendell wrote:
Return 2: I injected about 200b, the goal was to turn it into 400b by the next month. I failed that goal and only reach about 360b. Mind you I did have some rl work things come up that took away a significant amount of my available play time. This time around I found it less fun as the scale was larger, involved a lot more clicking and due to rl work constraints I felt rushed every time I logged in. This time around I gave away about about 30b, spent 50b on plexes, and threw the rest into my reserve to gather dust with the rest of the isk.


That's impressive, what was involved in that if you don't mind me asking, how many hours and ISK involved in each activity?



Return example 1 was in Amarr only doing station trading, starting with 20b, updating orders 3 sometimes 4 times a day.
Return example 2 was in Amarr and Jita on 2 accounts station trading with 200b start. The Amarr orders I updated about 4 times a day and the Jita orders about 10-15 times a day.

The longest part for trading is getting started and getting back into the flow of it. So that can take almost a full days worth of research and setting up before you have a good set of products, orders and quick bars setup. But like I said when iI started I had more time as work was quiet, but when it got busy my profits got hit very hard so I never reached my goal in return example 2.

Both cases I was using max skilled characters with standings for the specific faction station.

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#20 - 2014-09-30 19:11:46 UTC
I've always promised to myself that one day I'll actually try station trading. I'm not good with numbers, which has always discouraged me from it.

I've done a lot of other sorts of trading, but I always rely heavily on spreadsheets.

I can't say I do enjoy "trading" as most people think of it within EVE, but I think that's just because I'm not mentally suited to it. I do enjoy selling things to people, but that's an entirely different thing.
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