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Children Who Never Play

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Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#1 - 2014-09-24 13:51:32 UTC
I read this and the first thing that popped into my head was how risk averse EVE players generally are. I wonder if the trend in this article is one of the core reasons. Armchair sociology :)

http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2014/09/children-who-never-play

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2 - 2014-09-24 16:29:50 UTC
Toriessian wrote:
I read this and the first thing that popped into my head was how risk averse EVE players generally are. I wonder if the trend in this article is one of the core reasons. Armchair sociology :)

http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2014/09/children-who-never-play


I think that is rather related to the one-strike-and-out policy of financial failure in the USA. If you're a kid and live in LA and have first hand experience on what 300,000 homeless mean, you don't want to become one of them, and as it takes only one strike to fall down there, risks are not an option.
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-09-24 22:52:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Priscilla Project
Quote:
passive subjects to be directed.

These people need order and direction.

A world where everyone is a winner,
because everyone knows what to do,
when to do it and how to do it.

And they will love this, because it makes them feel safe.

So, now, with these people ...
... all it needs is an eveent that shatters their world ...
... and they will scream for a Big Brother ...
... to provide them with protection, supervision and direction.

The perfect citizens for a policed state.
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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4 - 2014-09-24 22:54:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Interesting article and despite the author being an art Professor, where you would imagine that his students are highly creative, I'm not convinced that his conclusions are any more correct than anyone else's. In the end it's an editorial piece.

By that I mean, there is no real evidence presented that the decisions of his students (or the conditioning towards conservatism that he covers futher in the article) are tied to risk aversion.

They could just as easily be tied to competitiveness or any of a host of other reasons, especially in a university/college environment.

It's a well written piece and entertaining read, but I can't personally say that it made me agree with his view. Pseudo science (bad term because of the stigma attached to it) and personal opinion more than anything.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#5 - 2014-09-24 22:57:29 UTC
hm my first thought reading the title was all those children without an access to a PC...
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#6 - 2014-09-25 01:40:33 UTC
Priscilla Project wrote:
Quote:
passive subjects to be directed.

These people need order and direction.

A world where everyone is a winner,
because everyone knows what to do,
when to do it and how to do it.

And they will love this, because it makes them feel safe.

So, now, with these people ...
... all it needs is an eveent that shatters their world ...
... and they will scream for a Big Brother ...
... to provide them with protection, supervision and direction.

The perfect citizens for a policed state.


Indeed.

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."


-- Herman Göring at the Nuremberg trials



"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"


-Project For A New American Century


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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#7 - 2014-09-25 02:56:25 UTC
An interesting read, thanks OP. Long ago, American students used to do naive, impractical things such as majoring in history, literature, rhetoric, linguistics, psychology, sociology, archaeology, anthropology, entomology, ethology, egyptology, or library science. Apparently, our society did not value the knowledge they gained all that much. The invisible hand that guides economic distributions according to their comparative utility... well, it didn't guide much their way. Those egyptologists and ethologists were guided into more economically productive areas of effort, such as primary school teaching, legal services, Internal Revenue Service records administration, and local bank industry customer service management.

Similarly, more mathematically-oriented students majoring in such things as pure mathematics, game theory, or astrophysics were guided into a more economically productive and efficient area of endeavor. Namely, IT.

An any event, I'd guess that most of those former students have by now learned a little about the economic market forces that permeate our current society. Likewise, their children have learned about which of their classmates got a PS4 on the first month, which still don't have one, and yet, and what their respective parents' positions in the U.S. economic system. Which, naturally, makes a child wonder about comparative strategies and preparations.

In that situation, only an outlier kid would not be risk averse. The strategy as an organism only points toward doing what is needed to maximize RL ISK. Anything else only produces a disadvantage, compared to all of your peers. Taking risks is only for outliers, such as spacey hippies and punks destined to be in forever trouble and poor. Unless they can get above it and become our poets-- the superstar musicians, models, athletes and actors.

Anyway, thought it was a good essay for provoking some thoughts. Is our culture so tight and darwinistic that a kid doesn't feel free enough to take a personal risk?





Indahmawar Fazmarai
#8 - 2014-09-25 06:04:05 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
An interesting read, thanks OP. Long ago, American students used to do naive, impractical things such as majoring in history, literature, rhetoric, linguistics, psychology, sociology, archaeology, anthropology, entomology, ethology, egyptology, or library science. Apparently, our society did not value the knowledge they gained all that much. The invisible hand that guides economic distributions according to their comparative utility... well, it didn't guide much their way. Those egyptologists and ethologists were guided into more economically productive areas of effort, such as primary school teaching, legal services, Internal Revenue Service records administration, and local bank industry customer service management.

Similarly, more mathematically-oriented students majoring in such things as pure mathematics, game theory, or astrophysics were guided into a more economically productive and efficient area of endeavor. Namely, IT.

An any event, I'd guess that most of those former students have by now learned a little about the economic market forces that permeate our current society. Likewise, their children have learned about which of their classmates got a PS4 on the first month, which still don't have one, and yet, and what their respective parents' positions in the U.S. economic system. Which, naturally, makes a child wonder about comparative strategies and preparations.

In that situation, only an outlier kid would not be risk averse. The strategy as an organism only points toward doing what is needed to maximize RL ISK. Anything else only produces a disadvantage, compared to all of your peers. Taking risks is only for outliers, such as spacey hippies and punks destined to be in forever trouble and poor. Unless they can get above it and become our poets-- the superstar musicians, models, athletes and actors.

Anyway, thought it was a good essay for provoking some thoughts. Is our culture so tight and darwinistic that a kid doesn't feel free enough to take a personal risk?



Success destroys diversity, which in turn destroys the abbility to succeed against sudden changes.

Just think of how optimized are some tasks in EVE Online: there is one right fit for everything and hordes of badfits and ALODs to punish the creative yet inefficent ones. This is so important, that CCP struggles to change without changing too much, lest they leave everybody unfit.

But, what fi sudden change happens nonetheless, and other games take away EVE time from uber-proficent uber-adapted EVE players? The whole system stagnates and then crumbles.
Marc Durant
#9 - 2014-09-25 14:06:54 UTC
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Baffled, I tried varying the questions but still the pattern held: Given the choice, each successive cohort preferred to recite tangible facts rather than to arrange them in a speculative and potentially risky structure


There's 2 main reasons for this;

1) our educational system doesn't at all reward or adhere to critical thinking, all it does is reward people who are capable of being assimilated into the system


2) for decades now "everyone" is special and "everyone" should get a degree in business or stuff like that. "basic" stuff like engineering, production, construction and similar things (you know, the people who actually create and contribute to society) are looked down upon. Because of that kids who aren't really good at all this business stuff but are really good at actually making things happen (and there's nothing wrong with that, at all, not even slightly) are funnelled into the wrong studies, where they don't belong.

Yes, yes I am. Thanks for noticing.

jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#10 - 2014-09-25 18:26:26 UTC
I`m fkn special ! my missus my boss and my mates down the pub all fkn agree ...that I`m VERY fkn special Bear


I likes being special !Big smile