Player Features and Ideas Discussion

to 1), limitation on when/where smartbombs can be activated are the same in high or low.
have you watched and exeperienced lowsec disco camps? they are quite effective. it is THE way to kill fast frigs. sure, only in lowsec you would use faction and officer smartbombs... a skilled smartbomber has a cycle time of 7.2-7.5 sec
i agree that smartbomb ganking is harder in highsec for the reasons you mentioned - but exactly that means you should give gankers more incentive to use it!

And yet you can see why, if you were to show the curtesy of reading what you are bashing, this will continue to pop up as a concern for the majority of eve goers. the people who argue against it do not make up the percentage of those that would prefer the change if it were to happen. as discussed thouroghly by "el alasar" if it's not gona be strait up reduced then people could comprimize with an alternative, ie, an AP skill set. There is only two legitamate arguments against this discussion which are; the fight against botters and Trying to say people need to play the game and afk'ers should be penalized ("I should be able to warp faster when doing it manually than someone to lazy to").

I'm sure that the botter battle is probably very challenging for ccp to overcome. however, they chose a route that penalizes every one else (you dont punish the entire class or set the standards to the one bad kid).

With enough support, they will notice. It is apperant that they are willing to create quicker means of transportation, from the original (manual) warp to 0 a long time ago, to the "jump" comand issued just the other day. There are other more creative ways that they could discourage or interupt botting.

All I'm saying is that you should stop trolling. we were finally getting somewhere with this forum, and I hope people will look a couple of posts back, and at post 87 (page 5).

Actually, this is the same thread that's been going for a while now. I just changed the name because through out the thread it no longer become a simple warp to zero AP, but more of a AP warp to zero but with some balance.

Oh, and there isn't really any proof that AP is intentionally this way. There's actually more proof that CCP just kinda forgot about it when they began to allow people to warp to zero. However, now that those times are long gone CCP just seems to be auto piloting and everything they notice themselves warping on a gate at 15 they just think "Man, we gotta fix that....But I'm pretty sure it's someone Else's job...And I don't wanna sound like i'm trying to get the easy way out"


Everyone wants AP to warp to zero because they hate to wait on AP and they hate to manual travel. However, several people try to say no to the idea because
A) They'd rather have easy low risk ganks in high sec over faster auto pilot
B) Seem to think because it's Eve that things aren't allowed to improve or change
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C) They must be role players and have fit this into role playing by saying that AP is risk avert where as the pilots themselves are not and are willing to warp themselves into the middle of a target. Yet they forget it's in space and computers are highly advanced.

Oh, and why does everyone seem to think that auto pilot is actually auto pilot????

Wouldn't it actually make sense that since you have a crew, you probably have a crew to take over control of the ship when you're busy?
So essentially AP is piloted, just not by the capsuleer.

being a noobie, im sure you guys dont want my opinion, but it sure would be so much more convenient for us. it sounds like there are valid arguments against the change, but i dont think they should stop such a useful one from happening. I would be willing to train a skill if i had to.

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Why not just have a 'Advanced Autopilot' module and skill? When equipped, each level of training knocks 3km off the warp-to distance. Chronic AP users, would have the option of sacrificing a module slot (and training time) for the benefit of effortless transit. The module (but not the skill) are built-in to shuttles.

i am sorry, but i also have trouble following your argumentation.

in many situations there is no room to use AP anyway (wardec, high value cargo, high value fitting, many open KR on you, not-highsec area, ...). still for all other cases (and some bold people lol) it should be attractive to use AP, yet i feel there needs to be a penalty to manual warp, to please the rest of the world and also reward manual "playing". thus a set of skills together with other proposed changes in #87 seems a viable compromise to me, offering benefit to 99% of players.

I like the idea of a module but not the implant. if it were an implant, then there doesnt seem to be any logical reason why just having the skill isnt enough. if it was a module then, you fitt your ship with somesort of device that is allowing to closer auto pilot. some sort of radar sensory device that allows that level of automated close range travel (avoiding objects and the such).

as far as shuttles go, if its built in, doesnt really matter to me(easy enough t buy a t1 frig). but with the frieghter, was afraid to mention anything, but i think it should have the module built in.

I would say that if the module were introduced it would need to be a low slot module.
This way you have to choose between a dps module, tank module(for armor tanks), cargo for haulers, warp core, or velocity.

Now.

I say a tech 1 and a tech 2 module..

Tech 1 reduces AP warp in distance by 2 km per lvl.

Tech 2 requires lvl 5 and reduces warp in distance by 2.5km per level. Which puts you 2.5km from the gate, which is warp out distance.

Now. The shuttle and freighter automatically have the device built in, however, to activate the device on the shuttle increases the amount of time needed to to align in the shuttle by x%(x being enough to make a difference, but still faster than travelling 15km.)

With the freighter, it reduces the cargo amount by x% in order to activate it.( x% being an amount to make a difference, but not enough to undercut what could be done if you just travelled without it on.)

However, with the case of both the shuttle and the freighter, you need to have the skill to level 5 in order to activate the device. They also require you to be docked in order to activate or deactivate the module. Thus requiring you to make the decision before you undock, or to have to redock somewhere else if you wish to change your mind.

In the case of the t1 and t2 modules. They have a penalty for alignment time. T2 having a smaller penalty than t1, but I also suggest possibly having another skill that can negate this penalty in 80-100%.

In allowing a skill to negate the alignment penalties, then the ship will align and warp out faster. However, every ship requires that you align and hit 50-70% of max velocity before AP will warp you out. So your speed in which you travel depends on your ship and 2 different skills.

The reason for the seperate skills and the t1 and 2 modules is because it would rely on players putting in the time to become proficient with their electronics and the understanding of how AP works. So one skill would fall under electronics and require electronics lvl5 (this would be the skill to use the module) and the skill to reduce the penalty of alignment time would be under navigation and require navigation lvl 5. However, i'm not sure if the 1st skill should fall under navigation as well, but still require electronics lvl 5.

However, I would suggest that to train the skill from lvl 4 to 5 for either skill shouldn't take longer than 2 week if that because if it does, most players, if not all players, will negate training the skills to 5.

Again though, shuttles are quite fast, and since the modules are built in they would need to already be t2 modules, so this is why you would require the skill for the modules to lvl 5. However, freighters are the same, but they aren't fast, however, they require the skill to lvl 5 because they are advanced ships with complex AP systems due to AP having to factor their size before they can warp to a target.

If anyone want to tag onto this and refresh it, or just hit something I missed. Feel free.

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