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[Serious] Taking Back Wspace

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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#101 - 2014-09-23 14:15:54 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Why is this debated mostly by NPC alts and nullseccers?


Why is it that people that never get involved in discussions like to rabble rabble while they pos spin in their WH waiting for a jabber content ping to go out?
If thats aimed at me, then its just hilariously misguided...
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#102 - 2014-09-23 14:49:44 UTC
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Why is this debated mostly by NPC alts and nullseccers?


People still think they'd be invaded for having an opinion. And tbh, there is only a tiny gap between nullseccer and wormholian, wormholians usually get away with even less pvp skillz tbh.

Aryex
Bastard Children of Poinen
#103 - 2014-09-23 15:58:16 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
I think what players can do is stop being lazy mealy-mouthed cowards and join smaller corporations. One problem linked to the atrocious state of POS security is the paranoia which people exercise in recruitment, and also exercise in their efforts to be recruited. people will not recruit toons with colourful or somewhat lengthy employment records, and the corollary of that is that people are afraid to join smaller corps and give it a try, because they think they are putting dirty great fingerprints of unreliability all over their rap sheet. So they hold out to join a big corp.


I wonder if it's time to rethink the permanent corp history.

Make it like a resume, where everything more than a year old just drops off, except perhaps for your initial newbie corporation.

Combined with finer grained access controls on SMAs, and the ability to kick an undocked player from your corporation, and I think that you'd have a major improvement in the ability to recruit new players to your corporations without quite as much paranoia. Sure the newbro could be a spai who awoxes you on an operation, but they wouldn't necessarilly have the rights to completely empty your SMA, and if traveling in hisec, they could be booted instantly thus stopping an awox in progress against anyone who doesn't already have a timer.
Mithandra
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#104 - 2014-09-23 18:37:36 UTC
Aryex wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
I think what players can do is stop being lazy mealy-mouthed cowards and join smaller corporations. One problem linked to the atrocious state of POS security is the paranoia which people exercise in recruitment, and also exercise in their efforts to be recruited. people will not recruit toons with colourful or somewhat lengthy employment records, and the corollary of that is that people are afraid to join smaller corps and give it a try, because they think they are putting dirty great fingerprints of unreliability all over their rap sheet. So they hold out to join a big corp.


I wonder if it's time to rethink the permanent corp history.

Make it like a resume, where everything more than a year old just drops off, except perhaps for your initial newbie corporation.

Combined with finer grained access controls on SMAs, and the ability to kick an undocked player from your corporation, and I think that you'd have a major improvement in the ability to recruit new players to your corporations without quite as much paranoia. Sure the newbro could be a spai who awoxes you on an operation, but they wouldn't necessarilly have the rights to completely empty your SMA, and if traveling in hisec, they could be booted instantly thus stopping an awox in progress against anyone who doesn't already have a timer.



Sorry, but no. Paranoia and a robust recruitment policy keeps corp assets where they belong... in corp.

I like paranoia, I am the most paranoid recruiter you will ever find. I consider other paranoiacs to be far too liberal, and yet I am still managing to recruit quality players. I would not be happy with corp history being truncated at the one year point. Too many ways for eve players to exploit that and steal my corp stuff.

Grab their interest by the throat and they will come.

Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community

Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#105 - 2014-09-23 21:30:04 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Why is this debated mostly by NPC alts and nullseccers?


People still think they'd be invaded for having an opinion. And tbh, there is only a tiny gap between nullseccer and wormholian, wormholians usually get away with even less pvp skillz tbh.



People do get invaded for having an opinion. Especially if it is to declare yourself Kings of W-space after moving out. You can also get invaded and burned out for using too many "Your momma is so fat.." jokes in local. It's a legitimate fear. Talk **** to the wrong people, they might just gather some friends and burn your house down with you sleeping inside.

We can't have just any insane ruffians hanging about in systems with J-tags... they need to be cultured space barbarians.



Cosmic Scanner
Perkone
Caldari State
#106 - 2014-09-23 23:43:25 UTC
I actually kinda think reducing the amount of high end wormhole systems would be good change. This could make w-space less empty and more valuable. It would probably leave less room for the sheer amount of farmers there are at present. I would probably look to reduce the amount of wormholes to something like:

C4 = 300 (from 505)
C5 = 200 (from 512)
C6 = 50 (from 113)

It might mean you bump into the same people more often but it will likely mean less empty systems and more day to day action. Or CCP brings more players in somehow, but i don't see it happening soon.

Cosmic Scanner / muu lufragga

CivilWars
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#107 - 2014-09-23 23:58:25 UTC
Incindir Mauser wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Why is this debated mostly by NPC alts and nullseccers?


People still think they'd be invaded for having an opinion. And tbh, there is only a tiny gap between nullseccer and wormholian, wormholians usually get away with even less pvp skillz tbh.



People do get invaded for having an opinion. Especially if it is to declare yourself Kings of W-space after moving out. You can also get invaded and burned out for using too many "Your momma is so fat.." jokes in local. It's a legitimate fear. Talk **** to the wrong people, they might just gather some friends and burn your house down with you sleeping inside.

We can't have just any insane ruffians hanging about in systems with J-tags... they need to be cultured space barbarians.




So if I put a new POS up and post the J-sig will you and your momma come burn my house to the ground? Please.

Long live the kings.

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Calmatt
Sanctuary of Shadows
Triumvirate.
#108 - 2014-09-24 00:34:11 UTC
Incindir Mauser wrote:
Tears


Who are you? Oh....adhoc.

I guess you're relevent. In 2009.

Kings of wormhole space, signing off.
Pancake King
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#109 - 2014-09-24 00:35:07 UTC
Cosmic Scanner wrote:
I actually kinda think reducing the amount of high end wormhole systems would be good change. This could make w-space less empty and more valuable. It would probably leave less room for the sheer amount of farmers there are at present. I would probably look to reduce the amount of wormholes to something like:

C4 = 300 (from 505)
C5 = 200 (from 512)
C6 = 50 (from 113)

It might mean you bump into the same people more often but it will likely mean less empty systems and more day to day action. Or CCP brings more players in somehow, but i don't see it happening soon.


100% this.
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#110 - 2014-09-24 01:54:36 UTC
CivilWars wrote:

So if I put a new POS up and post the J-sig will you and your momma come burn my house to the ground? Please.

Long live the kings.


Wow. That was totally taken the wrong way. Perhaps my phrasing was misinterpreted? It wasn't a personal attack, or even a comment against Blue-Fire as I rather enjoy getting my **** blown up by them. At least they fight. Hell, Lazerhawks stopped by the other night and caught us with our pants down around our ankles and relieved our site-running fleet of a handful of caps. We mourned our losses, bitched about being careless morons for half an hour, and went back to business as usual with no hard feelings for Lazerhawks or SSC. Why? They were nice about it and didn't act smug or **** up local. Jokes were exchanged and we had to admit to ourselves that it was fun losing billions worth of caps.

W-space needs more of that kind of mutual respect, no matter how big or small they are. How "relevant" or "irrelevant" they are perceived to be.

People have more fun when the atrocities are served with a chaser and a breath mint.

Corps have, and can lose their homes to being obtuse, over-confident, and downright insulting. It's life out here. Anyone that suggests that big corps should voluntarily break down into smaller entities is a little thick between the ears. It's better to attract and hold the interest of new people than to cut off your right hand because your neighbor has sprained his wrist. The fact that we have to be so hyper paranoid about theft and who we can recruit contributes greatly to the declining population in general.

Yes. People can get evicted for having opinions. If it weren't a threat it wouldn't be exciting and things would look more like the current null sov cold war. That was the point I was attempting to make.


P.S. My momma is so fat she keeps her diaphragm in a pizza box.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#111 - 2014-09-24 02:04:33 UTC
Incindir Mauser wrote:

P.S. My momma is so fat she keeps her diaphragm in a pizza box.

Sheesh

TMI

I'm right behind you

blackish person
The Vendunari
End of Life
#112 - 2014-09-24 03:20:44 UTC
Cosmic Scanner wrote:
I actually kinda think reducing the amount of high end wormhole systems would be good change. This could make w-space less empty and more valuable. It would probably leave less room for the sheer amount of farmers there are at present. I would probably look to reduce the amount of wormholes to something like:

C4 = 300 (from 505)
C5 = 200 (from 512)
C6 = 50 (from 113)

It might mean you bump into the same people more often but it will likely mean less empty systems and more day to day action. Or CCP brings more players in somehow, but i don't see it happening soon.



Iv all ways thought there were too many c5s but I don't think there are too many c6. If the c6 number got much lower then running sites in c6 would be death and that would make all the farmers just move to c5. I like having farmers in c6 because it gives us something to kill. With out something to kill the pvp groups would likely move out of c6 as well.

If you halved the amount of c5s the player density would be higher so there would be more pvp happening and also the risk in running cap escalations will go up a bit. People would have more success rolling and therefor would roll more. I don't think people would stop running sites because the rewards are pretty damn high especially if you multi box it.

Don't know about you guys but this sounds pretty good to me.
Ilaister
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2014-09-24 03:57:53 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
nanoribbons are climbing in value. QED, wormhole space is losing population.

Frigate holes, when was the last time you went through one or interacted with one? That's right - the day of the patch, or at latest, the day before they changed the k162 description to read "small ships only". I found 6 in 3 wormholes last night and used none of them.



These = patently untrue.

Ribbon prices are growing because of a combination of factors, including farmers that have stayed farming less due to the number of open conx and T3s gaining some popularity back in PvP. We get kills through frigholes. Mostly frustration. But some kills.

The bit after that about people being cowards and smaller groups being more fun and low class WH ISK makes much more sense though.
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors
Brotherhood Of Silent Space
#114 - 2014-09-24 06:58:53 UTC
to reduce WH Systems is not solving the problem with W-space.
It is only to treat the symthoms of the Problem.

And the only one how can do is, is CCP.
We can make our suggestions how to fix it.

It look like that every discussion will end in a Flame war, so people be constructive.
I am not interested to **** of some people, I am interested in solutions ......

Kira Hhallas - Austrian EvE Community - ingame =Österreich= - StoryPage - https://oneshotstorys.wordpress.com/ -


Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare

Kirasten
Perkone
Caldari State
#115 - 2014-09-24 08:43:32 UTC
Ilaister wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
nanoribbons are climbing in value. QED, wormhole space is losing population.

Frigate holes, when was the last time you went through one or interacted with one? That's right - the day of the patch, or at latest, the day before they changed the k162 description to read "small ships only". I found 6 in 3 wormholes last night and used none of them.



These = patently untrue.

Ribbon prices are growing because of a combination of factors, including farmers that have stayed farming less due to the number of open conx and T3s gaining some popularity back in PvP. We get kills through frigholes. Mostly frustration. But some kills.

The bit after that about people being cowards and smaller groups being more fun and low class WH ISK makes much more sense though.


I have not interacted with any frigate holes since the description change unless it attached directly to the home system.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#116 - 2014-09-24 09:00:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Ilaister wrote:
[...] and T3s gaining some popularity back in PvP.


Wonder if there is a connection to the currently hilariously low build prices for T3s. Mean, they've become cost efficient over time!

(cost efficient here: 260-300mil for a t2 tengu compared to the 200-220mil for a proper cerb :o, XLASB cerb with it's 270mil prictag even looks costly next to a tengu doing more or less the same job)
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors
Brotherhood Of Silent Space
#117 - 2014-09-24 09:04:24 UTC
In our C3 / 00, we had some of them.
Many connections from 00 -> C3 or back; some C3 -> C2; I think since the change we had more the ten time frig. holes.
And well we had also fun with the frig. Holes in our System and other.

Kira Hhallas - Austrian EvE Community - ingame =Österreich= - StoryPage - https://oneshotstorys.wordpress.com/ -


Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare

Kirasten
Perkone
Caldari State
#118 - 2014-09-24 11:17:50 UTC
Kira Hhallas wrote:
In our C3 / 00, we had some of them.
Many connections from 00 -> C3 or back; some C3 -> C2; I think since the change we had more the ten time frig. holes.
And well we had also fun with the frig. Holes in our System and other.



There are no frig holes from null to w-space, as it looks like you are saying. Only from w-space to null.
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors
Brotherhood Of Silent Space
#119 - 2014-09-24 11:24:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kira Hhallas
Hmmm,.... *thinking*.... that's true... my fault ... :-) sometimes I am a little bit confused ....

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Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare