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Disappeared POS

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Victor Vandenberg
World Forge Industries
#1 - 2014-09-06 15:48:05 UTC
Hello,

Yesterday set up my first POS in HighSec, and this morning found it disappeared. The POS was fully fueled, online and with shields on, but without defense turrets. No any warning messages. May be stolen. Looked in Internet and did not find any explanations on how one may do so.

Will be thankful for any ideas.

Victor
Tolkaz Khamsi
Empire Reclamation Services
#2 - 2014-09-06 16:02:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tolkaz Khamsi
Victor Vandenberg wrote:
Hello,

Yesterday set up my first POS in HighSec, and this morning found it disappeared. The POS was fully fueled, online and with shields on, but without defense turrets. No any warning messages. May be stolen. Looked in Internet and did not find any explanations on how one may do so.

Will be thankful for any ideas.

Victor


If the shield was up, no one can steal it.

EDIT: If corpies have access to the tower, they can steal it even if shields are up. Do you trust your corpies?

Open your corp assets tab and check the "In Space" tab. If it's there, you might just be looking in the wrong place. If it's not there -- either you forgot to put it online and someone stole it, or there was a glitch in the Matrix at CCP and you should petition it.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2014-09-06 16:35:15 UTC
Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:
Open your corp assets tab and check the "In Space" tab. If it's there, you might just be looking in the wrong place.

Most likely.

Make sure to right-click the tower and save its location to bookmark it, next time. Blink
Victor Vandenberg
World Forge Industries
#4 - 2014-09-06 17:37:38 UTC
Thank you for your insights.

I trust my corpmates. I also checked the corp assets and the POS is not there, unfortunately. Also, I did yesterday the place bookmark and had several flights. Our corp is not in a war, thus in high-sec hardly it happened that it was destroyed. Thus the bookmark is OK and the most probable reason that the POS was stolen. When I left it, it was fueled and the shields on.

One explanation might be that the tower has run out of fuel. But there was enough fuel, and also there were no any notifications from DED. Another version was that somebody used a syphon to steal the fuel and charters (it was in the Gallente space). But I did not find indications that one may steal fuel and charters using syphon.

Just theoretically, is it possible to steal the tower when it is not on-line? For example by stealing the charters?
May be somebody saw cases when the tower went off-line without a reason?

Victor
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2014-09-06 17:46:03 UTC
Victor Vandenberg wrote:

I trust my corpmates.

well thers your problem Blink
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-09-06 17:53:40 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Victor Vandenberg wrote:

I trust my corpmates.

well thers your problem Blink


Lol I get what you mean, but it didn't answer his question...It's also one I'd like to know the answer to as well.

If a pos is in space, offline, password protected can it be stolen? By a random not in your corp.

Could I fly to moons looking for them offline? Sounds like a great little earner if you can.

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Tolkaz Khamsi
Empire Reclamation Services
#7 - 2014-09-06 18:19:16 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Victor Vandenberg wrote:

I trust my corpmates.

well thers your problem Blink


Lol I get what you mean, but it didn't answer his question...It's also one I'd like to know the answer to as well.

If a pos is in space, offline, password protected can it be stolen? By a random not in your corp.

Could I fly to moons looking for them offline? Sounds like a great little earner if you can.


I may be wrong, but I think if the POS is anchored but not online, it can't be stolen. It can be blown up and looted, but not stolen outright. However, you'd have gotten a lossmail in that event.
War Porcika
Hamster Holding Corp
#8 - 2014-09-06 18:35:41 UTC
Based what you have described, someone from your corp took it.
If you are a director, then check your corp mates hangar, maybe you will find it there.
I would try to do the search in the system where the POS is.
Slothook
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-09-06 18:51:48 UTC
Someone cant steal the POS unless they are in your Corp and have the correct roles - even if it goes off line someone outside your corp / without roles can't unachore it and steal it.

If it runs out of fuel it makes no difference to someone stealing it or not - above still applies.

If someone uses a siphon on it, it doesn't steal POS fuel or charters - it steals moon goo which yours being a highsec POS wont have.

Someone can kill it but first they have to war dec your corp, then wait 24 hours and then spend ages pounding on it - this hasn't happened as you weren't war dec'd.

Possibilities are simply - either someone in your Corp with roles stole it or you book marked the wrong location - there are no other options - I know which my money is on, have you definitely checked Corp assets in space via the corp console -
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-09-06 19:04:49 UTC
Victor Vandenberg wrote:
One explanation might be that the tower has run out of fuel. But there was enough fuel, and also there were no any notifications from DED.


Nope. Running out of fuel would just send the tower offline, and no one other than corp-members with the appropriate permissions can unanchor a tower, even an offline.

Quote:
Another version was that somebody used a syphon to steal the fuel and charters (it was in the Gallente space). But I did not find indications that one may steal fuel and charters using syphon.


No. Can't syphon fuel, and besides see previous comment

Quote:
Just theoretically, is it possible to steal the tower when it is not on-line?


No, and it's not possible to steal it when it is offline either. Only an unanchored tower can be stolen by someone outside of your corp.


TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2014-09-06 20:49:08 UTC
Who in your corp has the roles to take it down? Because the only thing that makes sense in this scenario is that someone stole it.

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Victor Vandenberg
World Forge Industries
#12 - 2014-09-10 22:07:07 UTC
Thanks all for the valuable comments, the case was resolved with corpmates.

Victor
Steijn
Quay Industries
#13 - 2014-09-11 10:26:17 UTC
Victor Vandenberg wrote:
Thanks all for the valuable comments, the case was resolved with corpmates.

Victor


not as trustworthy as you thought eh?
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#14 - 2014-09-11 11:12:54 UTC
Victor Vandenberg wrote:
Hello,

Yesterday set up my first POS in HighSec, and this morning found it disappeared. The POS was fully fueled, online and with shields on, but without defense turrets. No any warning messages. May be stolen. Looked in Internet and did not find any explanations on how one may do so.

Will be thankful for any ideas.

Victor


You can see your corp assets in space on the corp tab. Check there. If it's not on that list then someone with roles in your corp stole it.

Otherwise it's still there. I remember about .... want to say 5 years ago, there was a bug that could cause the POS to be off grid from zero on the moon Double check that you're warping to the right moon and next time bookmark the tower.

As for more help. If it's on your assets in space list and it's not visible on grid then petition it to CCP. I believe they can move it.

If you want help looking for it and it's in high-sec then I'm willing to help you. (yes, I'm just that kind of guy). I used to live in a wormhole and I've become very handy at finding all of the towers in a system in no-time-flat. I'll probe it out for you.

PM or email me in game if needed.

Cheers,
T-
Wraymond Arji
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-09-22 17:04:26 UTC
War Porcika wrote:
Based what you have described, someone from your corp took it.
If you are a director, then check your corp mates hangar, maybe you will find it there.
I would try to do the search in the system where the POS is.


Demand a full API from every member and then dig through API assets. You will find it in someone's hanger, a wallet transaction selling the tower, or a direct character transfer, which is impossible to prove. Either way on top of the API scrub, I would still petition it and expect to be informed a corp member stole it. It will be someone with starbase roles, directer, or CEO. Your normal low level members without the roles to unanchor a POS would NOT have been able to take it. Until you get your answer DO NOT TRUST any of your leadership or CEO, no matter what. I had a friend for 14 years, grew up together, joined the military, etc. and he gave that friendship up for a couple bill in kills in EVE. People are shady as **** and the more they jockey to prove their friendship the more they should be suspect. Once in-game, remember anything goes and your closest friend is most likely your most devious and crafty enemy...
Ginger Barbarella
#16 - 2014-09-23 23:56:55 UTC
Victor Vandenberg wrote:
Thanks all for the valuable comments, the case was resolved with corpmates.

Victor


I'm dying to hear about this now... P

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Ginger Barbarella
#17 - 2014-09-23 23:59:45 UTC
Wraymond Arji wrote:
War Porcika wrote:
Based what you have described, someone from your corp took it.
If you are a director, then check your corp mates hangar, maybe you will find it there.
I would try to do the search in the system where the POS is.


Demand a full API from every member and then dig through API assets. You will find it in someone's hanger, a wallet transaction selling the tower, or a direct character transfer, which is impossible to prove. Either way on top of the API scrub, I would still petition it and expect to be informed a corp member stole it. It will be someone with starbase roles, directer, or CEO. Your normal low level members without the roles to unanchor a POS would NOT have been able to take it. Until you get your answer DO NOT TRUST any of your leadership or CEO, no matter what. I had a friend for 14 years, grew up together, joined the military, etc. and he gave that friendship up for a couple bill in kills in EVE. People are shady as **** and the more they jockey to prove their friendship the more they should be suspect. Once in-game, remember anything goes and your closest friend is most likely your most devious and crafty enemy...


If you throw away a 14 year friendship over pixels in a game that says a lot more about YOU than him.

And demanding a full API after the fact is rediculous; if that happened to me I'd clear out the corp hangars, tell you to pound sand, and then tell everyone in corp why I was bailing.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#18 - 2014-09-25 17:36:36 UTC
not enough fuel means nothing, it will go offline but still be anchored.

There are only two ways an anchored POS can be removed. It makes no difference if it is online, fueled, chartered, or anything else. If it is anchored it can only be unanchored by someone in the owning corp with the proper roles.

If it was unanchored and removed, then someone in your corp with the right POS roles did it. Whether you trust them or not, that is the only way to unanchored a POS. High sec is full of offline or dead POSes, some even belonging to closed corps with no members. If they are anchored, they can not be stolen by anyone outside the corp.

The ONLY other way to remove a POS is to shoot/bash it. In high sec you will get Concorded for attacking a POS unless you are at war with the owning corp. Even a small offline POS takes 4 DPS heavy battleships about an hour to kill. on line POSes with shield hardeners take even longer. It is fairly rare for high sec POSes to get Bashed, either online or not. POS bashing is not fun.

If your corp was not at war, then it is not possible that some one bashed/killed it. If it was killed, there will be a corp kill mail for it.

There is a slight chance it got accidently removed by a BUG, but I would say, 99% chance someone in your corp took it down.

There is a reason most high sec POSes belong to alt corps with no extra members, no matter how much you trust your corp it may have been stolen, there is always someone willing to grab corp assets and run, if the profit is worthwhile.

I have seen trusted corp members in null sec alliances steal Super Carriers and Titans that were left idle in a POS. Some times these players are in corps for years, with the full trust of all the ranking members. But walking away with a 30-60B isk ship that was not yours can be a big motivator.

As someone already said above, if you are in a high sec corp with other members who are not your own alts, then trusting them with your assets is a mistake. POSes are not owned by you, even if you anchored them, once anchored they are corp assets.

It could be something as simple as you forgot to put charters in the fuel bay, along with the POS fuel. This would cause all corp directors to get an EVE mail every hour that POS was not properly fueled. Perhaps one of them took it down to stop the mails. if you are not a corp CEO, or Director, you should not be anchoring a POS without permission anyway.
Nathan Shavit
Shavit Risk Management
#19 - 2014-11-02 11:34:43 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Victor Vandenberg wrote:

I trust my corpmates.

well thers your problem Blink

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Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2014-11-03 18:25:33 UTC
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