Player Features and Ideas Discussion

pleasure's all mine :D

no dev response yet? :'(

I think assault ships should just get a web invulnerability (15% per assault ship skill level) as 4th bonus. This will make them unique but not overpowered and it will significantly improve their use against larger targets and blobs.

Balance ships not bonuses. The "but this other thing has more bonuses" whine or "but the t1 version has better stat X" whine are just that; whines.

If players want more AF's being used then players need to come to a concensus about what the hell they are supposed to be used for. IF people want heavy tackle for gangs, then how do you make AFs that are not rediculous when they fight other frigate (and dessy) boats? If people want AF's to be top predators in frigate (and dessy) combat, then players must arrive at some consensus of what is precluding thier use already. The latter option will only see marginal increases in use, however, due to the current meta game. Either way, going about things in any other fashion is about as intelligent as throwing darts to assign boosts.

Personally, I think the best thing CCP could do to help AF (and EAF + dessies) would be to find ways increase the need for subCruiser gangs or at least sub t2Cruiser/BC gangs.

First off, I think all of the changes fall between satisfactory and great. I hope we can get a higher up CCP dev to look into this post...a lot of the work would have been done for them and they just have to make sure it doesn't uber buff these things

I think Sigras has the right idea:



Part of the problem is that inty's do descent damage with their speed. I think a base speed boost for all the ships would be helpfull. being frigates, speed is their greatest defence. Therefore:
Amarr, Gallente, and harpy: 10% bonus to base speed. Hawk and matari af's: 5% or 7.5% to base speed. play with the numbers a little, I know it seems odd to not do a flat change across all of them. The goal with that is to avoid making already popular winmatar even better.

One thing to keep in mind is that one of the most uniform rules in eve is that the shorter the range of the weapon (base stats), the more damage it does. hams vs hm's, arties vs ac's.


This. their role has been thought of as heavy tackle, anti frigate support, or even anti-drones.
Here is my comparison: hac gangs are SO popular because they can move faster than a battleships's guns can track and they have enough tank and gank to burn through cruisers before working onto the bs's. AF's should have the same basic role; be a threat that a cruiser simply can't handle without something designed to hit frigs (uber tracking, smaller guns, dual webs, etc). hence the slight speed increase. I see the biggest problem for AF's is they have to stay within the 10km range of webs which is the largest reason they die (but light drone swarms is close too).

If you look at their cruiser counterparts, they can roughly be devided into 2 groups: range bonuses (lighter tank, less utility slots) and close range with tougher tank, more utility slots. I know you don't like the idea of splitting them into roles, but given the web danger to af's it might be worth looking into.

This also opens up the can of worms called faction frigates and EAF's but that's for another day.

Good to see that this thread is still alive, though bad that a dev has yet to show any form of affection.

Thinking from the Caldari side of things (as always), the new Hawk bonus line-up is superior to the first proposal. Baby Cerb indeed ^_^

Bumping for the hoarde.

Bump for visibility.

Here is a very radical idea - why not kill off half the AF? Give each race one to fly. We could then focus on roles and bonuses alot easier. As it stands right now AF are very confused. They have lots of firepower and the ability to tank. But they die horribly in scramble range because of neuts, drones, and webs.

Imagine the Jaguar with the following bonuses: damage, tracking, damage and falloff. It would have a decent tank and be able to project decent firepower. It could deal with drones somewhat better. It would still be slower then other frigate types. We can also look at role bonuses easier as you don't have to balance the class against itself so much.

There are some good and easy to implement proposals in the Ops post, keep it up.

You can say that again! This thread is something that needs to be implemented...

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