Ships & Modules

Speaking of min/maxing, the Tornado can punch out a 14k alpha. Shall we nerf it too?

You know, this absurd potential dps issue isn't limited to the Catalyst. Many Gallente ships can reach ridiculous dps compared to the rest of their class. People who think it isn't an issue are a fan of the supposed 'downfall' being that you have to get close to apply all of said dps (which really isn't that big an issue anymore since Gallente is the second fastest race with the best tracking turret system). Other people see this rather large disparity between Gallente and everyone else and realize something should be changed. I know Gallente are FotM right now, but hopefully they'll fall out of the golden light before too long (and hopefully with nerfs, not buffs to everything else).

******* bears.

Stick to mining, and we'll stick to PVP.

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Answer this one, OP. If the catalyst is so uber powerful, why do I see more thrashers outside highsec than catalysts? Shirley if EFT's word is gospel, and raw dps is all that matters in picking a ship, than no one would fly any destroyer than a catalyst.

Edit: For the record, I do not gank, nor have I been ganked by a catalyst. I have no opinion on the topic of catalysts. I disagree simply because your logic is flawed, and this must be pointed out.

Posting in a stealth anti ganking thread

Try comparing dps potential to other boats, like the T2 variant the Eris, or maybe the Enyo, or the Thorax? I've been flying a shield tanked blaster thorax that dishes out >800dps overheated, and that's with a decent tank, tackle, and speed. I bet it could easily push past 1000dps if you get stupid about fitting it for such.

Generally speaking, Gallente ships are supposed to have the highest dps potential in exchange for the greatest difficulty in applying that dps, ie range and speed. Even railguns are gimped by the worst tracking speed.

Ergo, properly fitting and flying the Catalyst takes some skill, or you'll be kited to death by every Condor or slicer that you run into.

That being said, the Cat is one of my favorite ships for lowsec PvP. It's challenging, but equally rewarding, to win with.

Load Null, collect tears.

-LIBERTY OR DEATH-

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The Catalyst gives up range for a whole lot of DPS... There is a counter to everything... If you want to counter the Catalyst dictate range. Eve is rock paper, scissors. Not one ship is "better" than another.

You can reduce the DPS of a Catalyst but it would be useless compared to the other destroyers without range.


It's clear that when we have a miner posting about Catalysts needing a nerf it's nothing but a stealth nerf ganking thread. Her previous post here kind of gives her away. If you're going to make a nerf ganking thread at least create an alt that isn't a miner?

yes and minmatar ships are supposed to be the fastest/most agile, and we all see hows that worked out.
balance never stop there will be one day CCP will nerf gallente ships or just plain over boost the others race like they did with gallente in the past 2 years.

on a side note
1-blaster have the best tracking in the game an null give them a really a damn good range especially considering the high native dps of the weapon itself.
2-only medium railgun have the worst tracking and its only slightly worse than M artillery, they have better range which compensate for the tracking and almost double the dps, small and large railguns dont have the worst tracking in the game.

I'm not sure what you're complaining about...

The majority of Minmitar combat ships are in fact the fastest things in their class with the odd exception, and the balance for that fact is 'middle of the road' tank and dps. Slasher, Firetail, Thrasher, Stabber, and especially the Vagabond are all fantastic ships used to great effect in combat.

1- Small Neutron Blasters fitted to hulls that give a falloff bonus and shooting Null still barely reach >9km, and at that range they do a maximum, assuming zero transversal, of half of their 'native' dps. In order to extend the falloff/optimal of these you must trade damage mods and rigs, which negates the point.

2- Comparing railguns to artillery is apples to oranges. Artillery Thrasher vs Railgun Catalyst, given similar ehp and skills, the Arty Thrasher wins in spite of the higher per-second paper dps of the railguns.

Claiming that the current lineup of combat ships is unbalanced or broken in some way only shows a lack of experience in winning with or understanding why you loose to these ships....... Except the Worm and Garmur. Those things are freaking OP right now...