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Anslo
Scope Works
#1121 - 2014-09-19 17:26:57 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

Finally, for your pansified heresies against EvE HTFU, we are adding a +1 to the Kill-It-Forward queue, where an innocent carebear will be murdered by us in hisec and told it was because of you and your heresies in this thread.

Your heresies, our hands, their blood, your conscience.

F

Lol. so I was right about you being a hard-line PvPer.

Well if you want to play the in-game terrorist that's up to you. But their blood as you put it is not on my hands, it's squarely on yours. You're the one making that decision, not me.

The hands of the holy inquisitors of HTFU will be washed clean, by issuing a Kill-It-Forward notification to the victim post-detonation, explaining how you are the cause of his demise.

In a magical act similar to the transmogrification of host into HIS flesh, the sin of capsuleer murder will be transferred from our skilled inquisitors hands, onto yours....

Just imagine. Out there right now some innocent carebear is running level 3 security missions in AFK bliss, unwaware that Grog Aftermath has set into motion his date with DEATH.

...unless perhaps, you publicly renounce your pansied heresies against HTFU.

F


Why? It helps us bitter vets trying to help carebears out more public.

Thanks for the free publicity brah~

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Valkin Mordirc
#1122 - 2014-09-19 17:27:34 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Ireland VonVicious wrote:

The biggest game mechanic issue is that we have no way to fight back with cold hard cash. This puts indy/trade and large new player groups at huge disadvantage.


There are mercenary corps for hire.



Complete joke for the defending side.
You have no idea who put mercs on you in the first place.
Odds are high you're paying guys working with the guys who are deccing you.

I've yet to ever hear of one time hiring mercs helped a defending corp in over 5 years of playing.




What's your definition of defending? You mean to sit on some miner and watch for War Targets so he can lazily afk mine?

There is no amount of ISK that you could pay me to do that. I don't want to do that, no one in there right mind would want to do that.

On the topic of not knowing the Mercs, look up your Mercs, Figure out which one does what, Like how Space Warriors camp Jita, Or IKR camps Dodixie, Forsaken camps the Udema Pipeline, or POH likes to Roam. So on and so forth, Figure you what merc corp works best for you.

Also I've never heard of a corp deccing somebody and the aggressing corp being apart an alt of a Merc corp. Most Merc Alts tend to be Scout/Logi, or some kind of Isk generating Alt, IE: Trade/Mission/PI. Decent Idea though.

But many merc corps will hunt down a target if you pay for it. POH Forsaken BAW and IKR will all do that, I'm talking from experience, from being both the hunted and doing the hunting.

Also, have you ever thought about moving shop during a wardec to where the Mercs camp or stage? Like Forsaken camps the Udema Pipeline. Why not move there and mine there during the wardec? 
#DeleteTheWeak
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#1123 - 2014-09-19 17:33:08 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

Finally, for your pansified heresies against EvE HTFU, we are adding a +1 to the Kill-It-Forward queue, where an innocent carebear will be murdered by us in hisec and told it was because of you and your heresies in this thread.

Your heresies, our hands, their blood, your conscience.

F

Lol. so I was right about you being a hard-line PvPer.

Well if you want to play the in-game terrorist that's up to you. But their blood as you put it is not on my hands, it's squarely on yours. You're the one making that decision, not me.

The hands of the holy inquisitors of HTFU will be washed clean, by issuing a Kill-It-Forward notification to the victim post-detonation, explaining how you are the cause of his demise.

In a magical act similar to the transmogrification of host into HIS flesh, the sin of capsuleer murder will be transferred from our skilled inquisitors hands, onto yours....

Just imagine. Out there right now some innocent carebear is running level 3 security missions in AFK bliss, unwaware that Grog Aftermath has set into motion his date with DEATH.

...unless perhaps, you publicly renounce your pansied heresies against HTFU.

F


Only +1? So lame...+100 or it's a farce.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#1124 - 2014-09-19 17:37:59 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

Finally, for your pansified heresies against EvE HTFU, we are adding a +1 to the Kill-It-Forward queue, where an innocent carebear will be murdered by us in hisec and told it was because of you and your heresies in this thread.

Your heresies, our hands, their blood, your conscience.

F

Lol. so I was right about you being a hard-line PvPer.

Well if you want to play the in-game terrorist that's up to you. But their blood as you put it is not on my hands, it's squarely on yours. You're the one making that decision, not me.

The hands of the holy inquisitors of HTFU will be washed clean, by issuing a Kill-It-Forward notification to the victim post-detonation, explaining how you are the cause of his demise.

In a magical act similar to the transmogrification of host into HIS flesh, the sin of capsuleer murder will be transferred from our skilled inquisitors hands, onto yours....

Just imagine. Out there right now some innocent carebear is running level 3 security missions in AFK bliss, unwaware that Grog Aftermath has set into motion his date with DEATH.

...unless perhaps, you publicly renounce your pansied heresies against HTFU.

F


Only +1? So lame...+100 or it's a farce.

Our inquisitors tend to more focus on quality over quantity, compressing as much concentrated tears into a single beheading as possible by focussing on battleships (or faction battleships). So, rather than execute 100 frigates, dessys or cruisers, we go right for the throat of piniata bears.

Its how we roll.

F

Would you like to know more?
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#1125 - 2014-09-19 17:39:59 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aivo Dresden wrote:

[And this is where you're wrong. People get to play in the sandbox however they want. No party is more entitled to a play style than another.


No they don't. You don't get to play how you want. You get to play how you EARN. You get to do what you want when you are smart enoguh to overcome opposition. A sandbox game doesn't mean you get to do what you want, it means EVERYONE gets to do what they want, and some people want to shut you down.

As it is now, people can either hide from consequences in an npc corp OR make a small "npc corp deluxe" small corp (all the NPC dec dodging, none of the NPC corp taxes) that they can just fold and reform.

What should happen is that NPC corps are an option, but a poor one, and ANY player corp is subject to counters by other player corps that should necessitate actual creativity on the part of the smaller/weaker corp to avoid/mitigate (like getting or buying friends, somehow going 'guerrilla' on the bigger corp, getting bigger/stronger itself or something else).

People who can't see the problem with the current status quo have a problem with honesty.

There is no earn. My entitlement to play this game how I want comes when I pay my sub. When you pay my sub then you can tell me how to play my game.


BS. Your sub gives you access to the game, nothing more. The only 'rights' you have in this game are contained in the EULA, that's it.

So you can play as you want, other people can play as they want, and if they want to stop you, that's fair game. What shouldn't happen is that you shouldn't be able to short-circuit someone playing against you so easily that it costs you nothing.

The above describes the hypocricy seen in many high sec posters. They don't like Ganking (for example) because 'it doesn't cost enough, catalysts are cheap', but when it's a beneficial game mechanic that costs NOTHING (folding then reform a corporation), well, hey, that's ok because sandbox/emergent gameplay.

As usual, it simply you wanting to have your cake and eat it to. Your all for using game mechanics to get what you want as long as it benifits you. The second it doesnt give you what you want you come to forums crying about earning this or people always trying to change the game to suite them. Now your wanting to change the game to benifit you.

Why not take your own advise you have given others in the past and stop asking ccp to change the game because you dont like the mechanics.
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#1126 - 2014-09-19 17:47:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Grog Aftermath
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

Finally, for your pansified heresies against EvE HTFU, we are adding a +1 to the Kill-It-Forward queue, where an innocent carebear will be murdered by us in hisec and told it was because of you and your heresies in this thread.

Your heresies, our hands, their blood, your conscience.

F

Lol. so I was right about you being a hard-line PvPer.

Well if you want to play the in-game terrorist that's up to you. But their blood as you put it is not on my hands, it's squarely on yours. You're the one making that decision, not me.

The hands of the holy inquisitors of HTFU will be washed clean, by issuing a Kill-It-Forward notification to the victim post-detonation, explaining how you are the cause of his demise.

In a magical act similar to the transmogrification of host into HIS flesh, the sin of capsuleer murder will be transferred from our skilled inquisitors hands, onto yours....

Just imagine. Out there right now some innocent carebear is running level 3 security missions in AFK bliss, unwaware that Grog Aftermath has set into motion his date with DEATH.

...unless perhaps, you publicly renounce your pansied heresies against HTFU.

F




So you're a RPer, interesting.

Why would I renounce something, when I meant it?



If the war-dec system altered where it couldn't be abused by people that war-dec, then I would not have problem with it, but so far I've not seen anything that would achieve that.

Also, I'm not really a carebear, regardless of what you think of my views. But I will side with a topic if I feel there is just cause.


Edit: So depending on the topic I could just as easily be defending PvPers.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#1127 - 2014-09-19 17:51:34 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

As usual, it simply you wanting to have your cake and eat it to. Your all for using game mechanics to get what you want as long as it benifits you. The second it doesnt give you what you want you come to forums crying about earning this or people always trying to change the game to suite them. Now your wanting to change the game to benifit you.


You never pay attention. I'm a pve player (you know this because I've been satying it here forever), this discussion has nothing to do with me personally. But unlike you I know right from wrong, and in a game where one side pays a price, the other side should too.

Quote:

Why not take your own advise you have given others in the past and stop asking ccp to change the game because you dont like the mechanics.


All game mechanics aren't equal. And even if they were, I'm not seeking some advantage, changing war dec mechanics and npc corp mechanics to be reasonable isn't going to help me kill a Guristas Battleship or scan down a complex any faster.

As i said, there is right and there is wrong. The current mechanics are wrong (for a sandbox game where choices are supposed to matter, the choice to form a player corp should come with a consequence, as should the choice to stay in an npc corp). Good mechanics foster good gameplay (that benefits the entire game community), bad ones (like dec-dodging) stifle interesting game play, which hurts us all.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#1128 - 2014-09-19 18:05:28 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:

...
Why would I renounce something, when I meant it?

Because it would save the life of the carebear you have otherwise condemned with your heresy.

Our inquisitor who performs the beheading will no doubt now inform the victim you were also offered the opportunity to recant to save his life, and refused to do so.

The clock is ticking..who will the lucky actor in our pageant of death be? Delicious...

F

Would you like to know more?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#1129 - 2014-09-19 18:09:50 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:

...
Why would I renounce something, when I meant it?

Because it would save the life of the carebear you have otherwise condemned with your heresy.

Our inquisitor who performs the beheading will no doubt now inform the victim you were also offered the opportunity to recant to save his life, and refused to do so.

The clock is ticking..who will the lucky actor in our pageant of death be? Delicious...

F


The suspense is overwhelming
Anslo
Scope Works
#1130 - 2014-09-19 18:11:07 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:

...
Why would I renounce something, when I meant it?

Because it would save the life of the carebear you have otherwise condemned with your heresy.

Our inquisitor who performs the beheading will no doubt now inform the victim you were also offered the opportunity to recant to save his life, and refused to do so.

The clock is ticking..who will the lucky actor in our pageant of death be? Delicious...

F

Real talk question. Of all the noobs you ganked, how many have said they stayed in Eve because of you? Just wondering.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#1131 - 2014-09-19 18:12:55 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:

...
Why would I renounce something, when I meant it?

Because it would save the life of the carebear you have otherwise condemned with your heresy.

Our inquisitor who performs the beheading will no doubt now inform the victim you were also offered the opportunity to recant to save his life, and refused to do so.

The clock is ticking..who will the lucky actor in our pageant of death be? Delicious...

F



Like I said it has nothing to do with me, I'm sure you would still destroy someone's ship, only difference is you will blame me for it. Very big of you.
Absolutely Not Analt
Carebears on Fire
#1132 - 2014-09-19 18:29:22 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

Finally, for your pansified heresies against EvE HTFU, we are adding a +1 to the Kill-It-Forward queue, where an innocent carebear will be murdered by us in hisec and told it was because of you and your heresies in this thread.

Your heresies, our hands, their blood, your conscience.

F

Lol. so I was right about you being a hard-line PvPer.

Well if you want to play the in-game terrorist that's up to you. But their blood as you put it is not on my hands, it's squarely on yours. You're the one making that decision, not me.

The hands of the holy inquisitors of HTFU will be washed clean, by issuing a Kill-It-Forward notification to the victim post-detonation, explaining how you are the cause of his demise.

In a magical act similar to the transmogrification of host into HIS flesh, the sin of capsuleer murder will be transferred from our skilled inquisitors hands, onto yours....

Just imagine. Out there right now some innocent carebear is running level 3 security missions in AFK bliss, unwaware that Grog Aftermath has set into motion his date with DEATH.

...unless perhaps, you publicly renounce your pansied heresies against HTFU.

F

Hey Feyd, can you kill someone for me too? I'd do it myself but I never undock, and you know...:effort:

Eve is a multi player game. And you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#1133 - 2014-09-19 18:34:01 UTC  |  Edited by: malcovas Henderson
Veers Belvar wrote:
I see 55 pages of back and forth, without addressing the simplest issue here:

What is to prevent the target from docking up for a week and playing on alts? Please explain how your mechanic change prevents this solution?


I already addressed that. By them not playing the character that is bothering my space and stealing my roids, I get what the WD was meant to do. Stopped them doing what I didn't want them to do.

You and your ilk like to ignore the obvious. I would not be surprised, if you could not find stuff in the refridgerater, because it's the one place you refuse to look. Even though everyone is telling you where to look.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#1134 - 2014-09-19 18:34:47 UTC
Anslo wrote:

Real talk question. Of all the noobs you ganked, how many have said they stayed in Eve because of you? Just wondering.

Gank? Surely you don't think we do anything as pedestrian as simple ganking? No, what we do requires a bit more panache' than that.

Also, noobs don't typically fly marauders.

Now, this may surprise you. We recruit virally...

That is, no matter how we get the job done, we try to recruit those we splode. One only has to listen to this Domi-bear outreach session inquisitor Faylee ran last night for example, to see we provide a valuable service in converting carebears to killers (tldr; go to 17:00+ timestamp).

F

Would you like to know more?
Solecist Project
#1135 - 2014-09-19 18:35:44 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I see 55 pages of back and forth, without addressing the simplest issue here:

What is to prevent the target from docking up for a week and playing on alts? Please explain how your mechanic change prevents this solution?


I already addressed that. By them not playing the character that is bothering my space and stealing my roids, I get what the WD was meant to do. Stopped them doing what I didn't want them to do.

You and your ilk like to ignore the obvious. I would not be surprised, if you could not stuff in the refridgerater, because it's the one place you refuse to look. Even though everyone is tell you where to look.

*keeps pointing at Veers but Ralph doesn't recognize*

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Anslo
Scope Works
#1136 - 2014-09-19 18:37:55 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

Gank? Surely you don't think we do anything as pedestrian as simple ganking?


Yeah I do

Quote:
No, what we do requires a bit more panache' than that.

Meh.

Quote:
Also, noobs don't typically fly marauders.

Ooooh the fleets I've been in...you'd be surprised.


Quote:
That is, no matter how we get the job done, we try to recruit those we splode.


Fine. I dunno dude I see where you come from, but Scope's model for new player/carebear retention is just vastly different. More positive than negative. I can't count how many times people said that they stayed in Eve because of Scope.

vOv

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#1137 - 2014-09-19 18:49:47 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I see 55 pages of back and forth, without addressing the simplest issue here:

What is to prevent the target from docking up for a week and playing on alts? Please explain how your mechanic change prevents this solution?


I already addressed that. By them not playing the character that is bothering my space and stealing my roids, I get what the WD was meant to do. Stopped them doing what I didn't want them to do.

You and your ilk like to ignore the obvious. I would not be surprised, if you could not stuff in the refridgerater, because it's the one place you refuse to look. Even though everyone is tell you where to look.


Yes - but they can do the exact same thing on their alts! You have accomplished NOTHING!
Paranoid Loyd
#1138 - 2014-09-19 18:54:01 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
You and your ilk like to ignore the obvious. I would not be surprised, if you could not stuff in the refridgerater, because it's the one place you refuse to look. Even though everyone is tell you where to look.
Then stop replying to his troll ass, look at his post history. He just wants attention and will argue from the ignorant point of view just to get it.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Solecist Project
#1139 - 2014-09-19 18:55:17 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
You and your ilk like to ignore the obvious. I would not be surprised, if you could not stuff in the refridgerater, because it's the one place you refuse to look. Even though everyone is tell you where to look.
Then stop replying to his troll ass, look at his post history. He just wants attention and will argue from the ignorant point of view just to get it.
This man ...
... has it figured out.

*keeps pointing at Veers*

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#1140 - 2014-09-19 18:59:54 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
You and your ilk like to ignore the obvious. I would not be surprised, if you could not stuff in the refridgerater, because it's the one place you refuse to look. Even though everyone is tell you where to look.
Then stop replying to his troll ass, look at his post history. He just wants attention and will argue from the ignorant point of view just to get it.


There are some, that personally know I am dead set against ganking. Bots being the only gank I'd do without a quibble. But OMG!!!!!! I am ready to change that. Pirate