EVE General Discussion

Correction: there is one problem I have with wardecs that I agree with the bears on, and that's how easy it is for them to persist. I think they should increase in cost to maintain, incrementally, with each week the bill is due. However, this is probably a discussion for its own thread.

I just provided you with the Dev blog on the war dec system as it is today. I didn't elaborate on it. The topic being discussed here isn't explained enough, for me to say it's intended or not.

I also don't find it appropriate for me to speak on behalf of the EVE dev team and say what is and isn't intended. I don't believe it's intended for someone to have 200+ active wars either, but hey, that's just my opinion. Someone else can have theirs on it.

Just as much as I don't think it's appropriate for you to enforce your way of playing in the sanbox on other people who wish to play differently and then whine at CCP when these people use the tools they have available to them, to just not play the game the same way you want to play it.

Sure, I totally agree that by all means, you should be able to wardec them and you should be able to gank them. No one should be 'immune' from PvP as you call it. And you can do all of this. That said, people should be able to get out of wars. It is way too easy and cheap to just keep wars going and going.

If you want your non-consequential, shoot anyone you see and gank any ship that flies by PvP, go to W-space or null. But I guess it's just not the same thing, when people actually shoot back at ya right? :P

This would be easy to fix...

Just increase the costs to form a corp

While I've been pro dec dodging due to lack of a better option I think we may have just found one. I can find no fault in your post and the dec fees into a bucket for kill based payout would be a good insentive for the defender to fight. Should the cost of decing go up though? As I don't think 50mil would go very far.

In some cases, CCP has decided wrongly. In doing so they hurt their cash cow game. Some of us would like to see a reverse of that, for the good of the entire EVE community.



And again, sometimes they have decided wrong. CCP could decide to put elves and unicorns into the game, it's their game and their decision, but it would be wrong.

Keeping the current war dec and npc corp mechanics is wrong because in a game like this innovation (and thus fun) come from necessity. When people have to figure things out, they do. Sure, the weak hearted will quit rather than try, but those types wouldn't stick with EVE in the 1st place.



For years CCP has gone down the wrong path. For example, in mission running, if you forget to load an item you need to drop off into your cargo hold, you now get a freaking POP UP that reminds you. in the past, you forgot stuff sometimes and that made you get better at the game by making you figure out how to not forget the item you need to drop off. now EVE damn near plays itself for you.

Same with the 'safeties" and "you are about to jump into low sec" pop ups we have now. Many a players 1st loss came with an accidental CONCORDOKKEN and THAT caused good players to learn CONCORD/high sec mechanics. Many a player's 1st pvp was jumping into a low sec gate game, for the good players, it made them learn to pay attention to their surroundings.

No you don't have to do a damn thing and the average EVE high sec gamer gets dumber and dumber as time passes, because they don't HAVE to learn anything. The war dec and npc corp mechancis reinforce this.

CCP needs to get EVE back on track before this downward slide becomes an unstoppable avalanche. CCP needs to remember WHY EVE is still here and why so many of us stuck with it despite being the totally sadistic mosh pit it was when most of us started. A mosh pit real PVE players (like my humble self) learned to survive in.

Wrong path according to you.

It's CCP's business and it's up to them to decide which path they take.

Following the principle of Keep It Simple Stupid:

What if we just made it cost 50 million ISK per active wardec to dissolve a corp (no active wars = 0 ISK) and require a 24 hour timer before the corp dissolves. Now it costs exactly as much to end a war as it does to start one.

If you wanted to go one better, you could make it take a vote (LOL) of the shareholders to dissolve the corp which, I think, adds another 24 hours, and makes it more cumbersome to dissolve the corporation.

So would you also support strict limitations on numbers and duration of war declarations?

The whole "When I sit in a station and spam war decs at every random corporation I see with anything vaguely PVE related in it's description it should have meaning damn it!" argument is not terribly convincing.

Its a joke. I told them exactly what their problem was. But because they don't like the answer, its deny, deflect, and red herring.


They war dec a corp, the threat is great enough and the cost small enough for them to reform into a new corp. So they do so. People come here and want to arbitrarily increase the costs of a basic function of the game so they do not have to change how they play (because apparently what they do it just fine, but what others do it not - go figure).


As I have said before. If you stopped targeting corporations whose costs to disband and reform were not so low. You would not have this issue. You are not entitled to think that the ability to declare war is a the ability to guarantee conflict, just as its not a guarantee to avoid conflict by joining a NPC corporation.

Its very easy as I have said before. You don't' see large corporations do this because the costs to disband and reform is too high. You don't see corporations with much in the way of space assets do this, the cost is too high. But you WILL see this if you dec corps of 4 guys with their 3 alts a piece mining.

Can't say I'm a fan of that idea, as a larger corp/corp with older characters where isk is no issue to them can keep hitting on a smaller corp. where isk is an issue to them.