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[Serious] Taking Back Wspace

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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#1 - 2014-09-19 01:40:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Atomic Dove
What's it gonna take to please you? With all things being as they are, Hyperion and all... what will make you happy? What do you wanna see happen(ing) that you won't about?

It's only obvious, and sad, that CCP broke wspace for the majority of its residents, so suppose they're not really giving about trying to revert it... What can the player base do to reignite the love for wspace?


Snip, Please refrain from profanities - ISD Atomic Dove
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#2 - 2014-09-19 01:44:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Atomic Dove
Siege long standing wh corps out! Twisted

/troll

People could stop and take a risk now and then... example
We knew were most likely gonna lose that carrier but YOLO. Plus it was hella fun fight


Snip, Please refrain from profanities - ISD Atomic Dove
Lakshata Chawla
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-09-19 01:51:20 UTC
Well I mean moving out before the changes are in effect because you're outraged isn't/wasn't the right solution. I think people just need to stop being bitches, the changes aren't bad at all.
J3rz11
Armed N Hammered
#4 - 2014-09-19 01:54:32 UTC  |  Edited by: J3rz11
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Siege long standing wh corps out! Twisted



too busy playing Archeage atm
Dyscordia
Super Elite Friendship Club
#5 - 2014-09-19 02:43:55 UTC
I Googled it and it brought me back to this thread. Is this thread just a metaphor for a circular argument?
Juris Macto
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#6 - 2014-09-19 03:24:40 UTC
At first, my corp didn't like the changes just for the way CCP seemed to be going about it. Now that we have seen it action... meh. It didn't really affect us much, if at all.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2014-09-19 03:35:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Jester
EIther you don't know what gentrification means, or OP is worded poorly, or both because HiddenFremen.

Gentrification in the WH sense is already happening, and was happening before Hyperion even happened. If we look at the definition of gentrification:
Merriam Webster wrote:

influx of middle-class or affluent people into deteriorating areas that often displaces poorer residents


Except since this is a video game, replace "affluent people" with large entities and "poorer residents" with "smaller entities". The "deteriorating areas" part doesn't really apply here, as that would most likely refer to low class WHs, which we know not many people wish to live in. The definition works with that swap, but also with rich and poor, as the larger power blocks are often a fair bit richer than their smaller counterparts. The gentrification of WH space would effectively mean corps continuously solidifying into larger entities so that they can be large enough to protect themselves against the threat of eviction. The result of this, though, is far more empty holes as small corps move to merge with larger ones. You would most likely end up with stalemates when two large entities fight, and the main deciding factor being the friends that either side brings.

What you'd actually want is the reverse gentrification of WH space, this being larger corps splitting into smaller entities and populating many of the empty holes that exist. However, since people want to win fights and not just whelp T3 fleets, they naturally conglomerate into the large blob entities that we currently have.

Unless of course you mean the repopulation of WH space... If you want that you should probably keep what you have there already instead of getting rid of it vOv

/one serious post of the month now back to being a shitter

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Bree Okanata
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-09-19 03:41:16 UTC
J3rz11 wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Siege long standing wh corps out! Twisted



too busy playing Archeage atm



Can't be true. The 12 hour queues to get into the game are atrocious.
Ageudum
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-09-19 03:42:47 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
EIther you don't know what gentrification means, or OP is worded poorly, or both because HiddenFremen.

Gentrification in the WH sense is already happening, and was happening before Hyperion even happened. If we look at the definition of gentrification:
Merriam Webster wrote:

influx of middle-class or affluent people into deteriorating areas that often displaces poorer residents


Except since this is a video game, replace "affluent people" with large entities and "poorer residents" with "smaller entities". The "deteriorating areas" part doesn't really apply here, as that would most likely refer to low class WHs, which we know not many people wish to live in. The definition works with that swap, but also with rich and poor, as the larger power blocks are often a fair bit richer than their smaller counterparts. The gentrification of WH space would effectively mean corps continuously solidifying into larger entities so that they can be large enough to protect themselves against the threat of eviction. The result of this, though, is far more empty holes as small corps move to merge with larger ones. You would most likely end up with stalemates when two large entities fight, and the main deciding factor being the friends that either side brings.

What you'd actually want is the reverse gentrification of WH space, this being larger corps splitting into smaller entities and populating many of the empty holes that exist. However, since people want to win fights and not just whelp T3 fleets, they naturally conglomerate into the large blob entities that we currently have.

Unless of course you mean the repopulation of WH space... If you want that you should probably keep what you have there already instead of getting rid of it vOv

/one serious post of the month now back to being a shitter


This is the only intelligent post Jester will make in this subforum until the new year.

<3
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2014-09-19 03:44:23 UTC
Bree Okanata wrote:
J3rz11 wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Siege long standing wh corps out! Twisted



too busy playing Archeage atm



Can't be true. The 12 hour queues to get into the game are atrocious.


Be not a poor and it's not a problem

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Henrayyyyy Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-09-19 03:51:24 UTC
Confirming Fremen wants the equivalent of N3 and CFC in WH Space, I heard it from Jester
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#12 - 2014-09-19 04:10:39 UTC
If you're trying to make corps smaller and more numerous in wspace you need to fix the Apex fleet problem. T3's are the best by far and the only reliable counter to them is to bring more T3's. If there was more of a rock/paper/scissors style fleet engagements would be more interesting. It wouldn't be an arms race to get more t3's in fleet. Until T3s are rebalanced/nerfed nothings gonna change.

CCP needs to make it possible for a small group to take on a large group in wh's. Then you'll get smaller groups populating wspace.
Henrayyyyy Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-09-19 04:45:23 UTC
The solution is to simply remove all other wormholes and have frigate only wormholes.
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-09-19 05:31:11 UTC
Can't fix apex fleet, if you adjust it, you will just create an other new apex fleet.(nerf t3's and we will get a command ship apex fleet,... )
We just need to get more people in w-space.

No local in null sec would fix everything!

Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#15 - 2014-09-19 05:37:23 UTC
Let's have all wormholes delete/randomize all overview settings every jump. I'm sure that will get things stirred up.

Public Channel | Un.Welcome

Andiedeath
We Aim To MisBehave
Wild Geese.
#16 - 2014-09-19 06:24:21 UTC
lol the changes havent really changed our day to day life. Rolling wormholes is easy, running sites is easy... The population and activity has been down but we are starting to see people come back and explosions happening again.... As per previous posts I think once people actually try out the changes they will find that if anything wormhole space is better.

The chains are also MUCH MUCH longer! and lol we are finding wormhole chains intersecing much more often... No need to role WHs unless they are EOL or you are extremely bored!

The new effects will also be a good change.

Director

Sefem Velox

INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public

Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#17 - 2014-09-19 08:33:22 UTC
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Let's have all wormholes delete/randomize all overview settings every jump. I'm sure that will get things stirred up.


That would possibly be the most hilarious/frustrating april fools joke ever.
Winthorp
#18 - 2014-09-19 08:34:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
Honestly Hidden i am not trolling you when i say this.

What makes you think WH space wasn't broken before Hyperion in all honesty Wh space really needed a major shake up to how people interact with each other.

While i fully supported Hyperion changes as i have said before i would rather they listened to our years of discussions on Wh mechanics and ideas before instituting changes with no consultation with us, they could have done so much more with Hyperion and done further changes after Hyperion but i am not holding my breath as i imagine the next few patches after Oceanus to revolve around nullsec.

Its just not what it used to be, i know that sounds bitter and pathetic but i don't have the magic answer to fix it. When i first started out in Wh's there was so much content and people rarely roamed null or low in the great % of play time as they do now.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#19 - 2014-09-19 08:53:48 UTC
Gentrification is about as much a thing as a SSC guy engaging without backup...
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-09-19 09:14:17 UTC
that hurts dude, we go way back... :(
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